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Message: [QUOTE="SUintheVille, post: 5377187, member: 1024"] It’s not about how many wins Payne vs Red had. Yes, Kenny had a lot less, but both were still inept. And both are alumni of their schools. And both had no HC experience. And both took no real accountability instead blaming others, not themselves (esp Payne, it was nuts). And both did not appear very passionate about coaching or have the ability to motivate and push their players. There may be other “ands” too. Oh yeah, there are definite similarities without a doubt. Louisville dumps Kenny after 2 terrible seasons, thank goodness, and brings in a very passionate high character and driven new HC with previous proven experience (Pat Kelsey) and in 1 year, they are ranked, great overall and ACC record, and great new and needed culture. The head coach masters! Maybe SU needs the same? If Red can’t turn it around next year, cya. [/QUOTE]