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Message: [QUOTE="billsin01, post: 430693, member: 837"] I don't know. I get what you're saying but if a guy is really talented but simply hasn't developed, he'll get drafted. And if he's a good football player and really talented, he's going to have success in the NFL. ND's been OK but hardly stellar compared to the top schools in this regard. Regardless, your initial argument was that ND essentially hand-picks whomever they want and that somehow Kelly's success this season was not that impressive because of the sheer talent on the roster. We don't have to agree but I think both of those arguments are incorrect. [/QUOTE]