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Message: [QUOTE="SmilinBob, post: 381005, member: 857"] Thanks...it just seems that looking at the whole picture would give us a better idea. If it's the offense that is making the mistakes and having penalties subtract those for their totals. SU's d although playing well is what it is (minus penalties) because they don't get turnovers. As for specials...subtract the 75 yard scamper by the field goal block...add all the total yards gained on kickoffs/punts (I giggled as I wrote that) minus penalties and fumbles/blocks. It would be interesting to see what story it tells us. [/QUOTE]