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Message: [QUOTE="Crusty, post: 2773905, member: 2265"] True. As you know, these are apples and oranges. One is a resume and the other an attempt at predictive value - with success usually measured against Las Vegas lines. Generally, they are accurate 51-54% of the time on average for the entire CFB betting field. I don't know how well they do against actual W-L, although it would probably have to better somewhat better. Results vary greatly from team to team. The biggest weakness is they are of far less value for the first 7 weeks or so because they all use some preseason data in the early going. This is especially true for improving declining teams. I think we are better than most of the teams ahead of us. For me, the ultimate stat is points for and against. After all, that is the only thing that counts in the end. The other stats simply explain how a team got there. [/QUOTE]