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Message: [QUOTE="Cusefan95, post: 4591636, member: 173"] This is starting to go so far off the rails, I don’t feel bad about going off-roading a little… Mark Rober has a great video on making a winning pine car. Only problem is, at least 40% of the kids in any derby today use his approach, so whoever had the best quality workmanship wins. In other words, whatever dad takes over the building process completely wins. I tried to show my son the key information so he could get a better feel for how engineering works but let him build his own car - he was proud of his middle of the pack finish (and frankly seemed happier about the whole experience than the kid whose dad won). [/QUOTE]