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Message: [QUOTE="OrangePA, post: 348571, member: 204"] Again, I am truly humbled by your recollection of my thoughts. I have no recollection of the discussion. The only things recall about your discussions on this board are the things you do every week - you know - the Coaches Show stuff, the Why We Should Win stuff and the Bold Brave Men of Archbold stuff. As far as the specific issues of SU Football is concerned, the only things that I remember discussing with you in detail was your insistence in the past - while challenging Coach P's abilities and results - that Syracuse University had facilities that were comparable to those of our competitors. I thought you were wrong about your assessment. I really have no recollection of the BYU discussion or the "east doesn't produce QBs discussion." I am pretty sure that I knew that western PA produced Len Dawson, Joe Namath, Johnny U, Dan Marino, Kelly and I think Earl Morrall, so I wonder why I would make such an observation, but who knows, I don't remember. I can say that we have never had a QB with the passing abilities of any of those guys. As far as you helping me in this discussion, I guess my first response would be no thanks - I don't need your help. But since you have offered to help, I guess I can respond. First, if you are telling us now that what we saw last week in the Dome is the old BYU offense, I think you're wrong. LaValle Edwards did not run a read option. And, he did not run a spread as far as I can recall. He ran a pro-style offense that very few programs if any were running at the time. Second, if you're telling us that our QBs - guys like Marvin Graves, Don McPherson, and Don McNabb - were comparable passers to guys like McMahon, Young, Koy and Ty Detmer, Marc Wilson, Gifford Nielson, Steve Sarkasian, Robbie Bosco and a think a few other guys, I don't think that's right. Young was a very strong runner of course but he was a far better passer than our guys - very very accurate. The other guys listed essentially were pure passers - not dual threat QBs. That is far different than what we had from 1985 to 2008. Dick McPherson tried to run a pro-style offense when he arrived on the Hill. It didn't work - we didn't have the talent to do it. Greg Robinson tried the Denver offense. It didn't work - we didn't have the talent to do it. The "pro-option" that DeLeone ran did work for a long time - the essence of the offense was to use a run-based attack along with a passing attack that would take advantage of mis-direction. Our offense functioned very well for many years. So, in that sense, yes, I agree with what I apparently said during our discussion - the Dome was not "underused." As far as the "narrative" thought you have tried to present, I think you got it wrong. The "narrative" - and the opinion - have remained the same. We did not have the talent to run the BYU offense but we did run an offense that allowed our QBs and WRs to be very successful - 0ffense wasn't a problem under DeLeone. I guess you feel that had we run a BYU offense with McNabb, McPherson or Graves we would have won more games. I suspect that that is wrong. I suspect that the coaches ran what they felt gave them the best chance to win. But, as you and I have discussed in the past you don't feel that P and D were good coaches or that they maximized the talent they had. As I have in the past, I disagree with you. [/QUOTE]

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