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Message: [QUOTE="HRE Otto IV, post: 1909217, member: 5685"] I don't think the Big East had anything to do with it. Prior to the Big East, BC was a bad program outside of the Flutie years. Pitt started to decline during the 1980s. They are back to their pre Big East seasons now. Rutgers was a mess and still is a mess. So who is worse off? Penn State and SU. Since the forming of the Big East we have seen Buffalo, Marshall, UConn, UMass join the FBS which hurts depth for the prior Northeast teams. In addition recruiting is more national so it is easier for Northeast kids to leave the area. On top of that, in the 1980s many of the Northeast independents played multiple FCS teams, which inflated the records. [/QUOTE]