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Message: [QUOTE="cliftonparksufan, post: 1910178, member: 9"] Well, first off, I never said it was a joke. Here is my exact quote: [B]Rutgers won it for the first time in their history in 2014 and Navy won it last year. That is a true embarrassment when Navy win a Eastern football trophy. [/B] The embarrassment is on Cuse, BC, Yukon, Pitt, Penn State, Rutgers, etc. Nothing against the Navy program (as my dad was in the Navy and I root for them yearly vs Army) but it sums up the quality of the traditional school. [/QUOTE]