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Message: [QUOTE="kingtidge, post: 5295230, member: 994"] I don't think immediate turnaround is the expectation... But immediate evidence of change should be expected. Evidence of effort (especially on D) Evidence of offense play scheming and identity (what are we trying to run even if we're not good at it?) Evidence of basic roster management (like making sure your best players see the most floor time) If we we're getting some tangible evidence of above, then I'd have more patience. As it stands, with no positive evidence, it looks like deer-in-the-headlights and standing in shock and awe as Rome burns. Red is not the guy. ...and it's actually good we're learning that now rather than later. [/QUOTE]