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Message: [QUOTE="RF2044, post: 5295364, member: 40"] That's kind of where I'm at. If there were signs of quality play on both ends, I think the outcomes would be more tolerable. Say, for example, we didn't have optimal talent, but we were coached well and played hard, I think that the fanbase would be more tolerant of losses. Because then one of the question marks about Red wouldn't be an issue, and it would be easier to "accept" that we just need more time for him to recruit the right players for his system. Problem is, the Ken Pom data confirms what we're all seeing -- that the "systems" that we have on both sides of the ball are subpar. This isn't a situation where the staff is showing that they have the chops and we just lack the horses -- the staff is showing that whatever "IT" is, they don't have it. [/QUOTE]