Dino Babers could become Syracuse's version of Joe Tiller

[Alsacs]

Joe Tiller brought a spread offense to Purdue in 1997 at the age of 55. He stayed at Purdue 12 years went 87-62 and was a really solid coach and had a bunch of fun offensive teams. They went to 1 Rose Bowl and 9 other bowls.

I would love if Babers had that type of career here.

 

[SWC75]

If we go 87-62 we'll wonder why we couldn't have gone 100-49.

 

[Alsacs]

I get your being sarcastic but after the last 15 years of football we have endured that is the type of comment I would expect from Bud P.

Nobody expects a NC in FB. We should expect to go bowling 6-7 out of 10. Tiller at Purdue is exactly what Syracuse would love.

Bud P tells us how dare we expect good things when we are Syracuse. We have not had a HC with D-1 experience since 1939 I think we fans would be doing cartwheels if we go 87-62 the next 11 years.

 

[TheCusian]

I get your being sarcastic but after the last 15 years of football we have endured that is the type of comment I would expect from Bud P. Nobody expects a NC in FB. We should expect to go bowling 6-7 out of 10. Tiller at Purdue is exactly what Syracuse would love. Bud P tells us how dare we expect good things when we are Syracuse. We have not had a HC with D-1 experience since 1939 I think we fans would be doing cartwheels if we go 87-62 the next 11 years.

If we put up 500 yds of offense consistently, I think our expectations will bump up significantly. We'll be arguing over defense and getting the guy to push over the wall into playoff territory.

We'll see.

 

[OrangeViking]

I get your being sarcastic but after the last 15 years of football we have endured that is the type of comment I would expect from Bud P.

Nobody expects a NC in FB. We should expect to go bowling 6-7 out of 10. Tiller at Purdue is exactly what Syracuse would love.

Bud P tells us how dare we expect good things when we are Syracuse. We have not had a HC with D-1 experience since 1939 I think we fans would be doing cartwheels if we go 87-62 the next 11 years.

Bud is the exemplification of an Outsider. Beyond an anti-homer, he's not an Alum, not local, not a fan and basically doesn't really give a rat's ass about Syracuse University or it's sports teams.

 

[SWC75]

I get your being sarcastic but after the last 15 years of football we have endured that is the type of comment I would expect from Bud P.

Nobody expects a NC in FB. We should expect to go bowling 6-7 out of 10. Tiller at Purdue is exactly what Syracuse would love.

Bud P tells us how dare we expect good things when we are Syracuse. We have not had a HC with D-1 experience since 1939 I think we fans would be doing cartwheels if we go 87-62 the next 11 years.

87-62 would an improvement over what we've had but once we got to that level we would complain about being stuck at that level, just as we did when Pasqualoni was here.

Also, I think we can do better if this works as well as we hoped. 87-62 is .583. Dino is 37-16 (.698) at two different stops. Art Briles is 64-37 at Baylor, (.634). He was 4-8 each of his first two years. I don't expect Babers to be 4-8 each of the next two years, (if he is, the same people who wanted Shafer out will want him out, too.) After those two years, Briles is 56-21 (.727).

If this works like we hope, I'd expect to Babers to win 2/3 of his games over his tenure here.

 

[Alsacs]

If we put up 500 yds of offense consistently, I think our expectations will bump up significantly. We'll be arguing over defense and getting the guy to push over the wall into playoff territory.

We'll see.

I will never put playoff expectations at Syracuse. 500 yards and good fun football we be enough as long we go 7-5/8-4 and have a magical year every once in a while.

We aren't a factory. Our fanbase would be happy with 87-62

 

[TheCusian]

I will never put playoff expectations at Syracuse. 500 yards and good fun football we be enough as long we go 7-5/8-4 and have a magical year every once in a while. We aren't a factory. Our fanbase would be happy with 87-62

Hold on finding bizzaro Alsacs from Waco on the Baylor board and asking what he thought pre-Briles

 

[Alsacs]

87-62 would an improvement over what we've had but once we got to that level we would complain about being stuck at that level, just as we did when Pasqualoni was here.

Also, I think we can do better if this works as well as we hoped. 87-62 is .583. Dino is 37-16 (.698) at two different stops. Art Briles is 64-37 at Baylor, (.634). He was 4-8 each of his first two years. I don't expect Babers to be 4-8 each of the next two years, (if he is, the same people who wanted Shafer out will want him out, too.) After those two years, Briles is 56-21 (.727).

If this works like we hope, I'd expect to Babers to win 2/3 of his games over his tenure here.

Briles was the president of Texas HSFB association before he was Baylor HC.
Texas HSFB is top 3 in the nation. he can recruit Josh Gordon, Terrance Williams, Corey Coleman from Texas without having to leave his home state. I don't expect Baylor results at Syracuse.
7-5/8-4 with an occasional 9-3/10-2 is all Syracuse should expect. Our recruiting ground is not elite enough to expect our recruiting to feed us consistent top 25 recruiting classes.

87-62 would be pretty damn good.

 

[Alsacs]

Hold on finding bizzaro Alsacs from Waco on the Baylor board and asking what he thought pre-Briles

Location, location location. Texas produces 350 D-1 players a year. How can't you realize this stuff. If you have a good coach and a lot of recruits in your backyard and you were the former president of that HSFB association you have a lot of contacts to get help and get players.

Syracuse hoops is fine because NY is the #1 or #2 HSBB state and all the recruits are in our backyard or region.

Syracuse football doesn't have the same level of elite talent in-state. We need to get kids from further away. Babers can do great and I will be happy with 87-62. Nebraska is having the same problem recruiting now. Elite players don't want to go there when they can stay home.

Baylor has the advantage of location. Syracuse can do well but I don't expect to win a .750% from any Syracuse HC who is here longer than a few years.

 

[Cuseman78]

Location, location location. Texas produces 350 D-1 players a year. How can't you realize this stuff. If you have a good coach and a lot of recruits in your backyard and you were the former president of that HSFB association you have a lot of contacts to get help and get players.

Syracuse hoops is fine because NY is the #1 or #2 HSBB state and all the recruits are in our backyard or region.

Syracuse football doesn't have the same level of elite talent in-state. We need to get kids from further away. Babers can do great and I will be happy with 87-62. Nebraska is having the same problem recruiting now. Elite players don't want to go there when they can stay home.

Baylor has the advantage of location. Syracuse can do well but I don't expect to win a .750% from any Syracuse HC who is here longer than a few years.

There is no question that we're hamstrung in the backyard talent dept but I'm rather optimistic about our long term recruiting if Babers can put up the type of offensive numbers that he has at EIU and BGSU. We have a unique advantage being the only NE school to have a controlled environment 24/7/365. If we get this cranking offensively, we're going to be an EXTREMELY easy sell regionally for offensive skill position players.

 

[TheCusian]

Location, location location. Texas produces 350 D-1 players a year. How can't you realize this stuff. If you have a good coach and a lot of recruits in your backyard and you were the former president of that HSFB association you have a lot of contacts to get help and get players. Syracuse hoops is fine because NY is the #1 or #2 HSBB state and all the recruits are in our backyard or region. Syracuse football doesn't have the same level of elite talent in-state. We need to get kids from further away. Babers can do great and I will be happy with 87-62. Nebraska is having the same problem recruiting now. Elite players don't want to go there when they can stay home. Baylor has the advantage of location. Syracuse can do well but I don't expect to win a .750% from any Syracuse HC who is here longer than a few years.

I understand the realities of recruiting. I also saw a team with a lot of injuries and sub par talent compete with #1 Clemson. I'd say we'll never have the depth of Baylor or factories. But we can absolutely get what we need to compete in this system. I'm not putting an artificial cap on things.

We'll see.

 

[billsin01]

Joe Tiller brought a spread offense to Purdue in 1997 at the age of 55. He stayed at Purdue 12 years went 87-62 and was a really solid coach and had a bunch of fun offensive teams. They went to 1 Rose Bowl and 9 other bowls.

I would love if Babers had that type of career here.

I find that to be a really interesting comp. obviously we'll all pick nits when we lose 5 in a season or something, but generally that would be vast improvement. Good call.

 

[OrangeTarheel]

Babers staying for 12 years sounds exciting to me. Babers is at the cusp of an innovation in football offense, of course there is no telling what counter-innovation on the defensive side (or other, more potent, offensive style) will emerge in the coming decade but we finally have someone with a state of the art product. That alone is exciting.

 

[Quazzum69]

Winning only 7/12 each year is fine if you are competitive and playing good, smart football.

If we lose it will be because the other team scores 40 not because we couldn't get to double digits.

 

[GoSU96]

87-62 would an improvement over what we've had but once we got to that level we would complain about being stuck at that level, just as we did when Pasqualoni was here.

Also, I think we can do better if this works as well as we hoped. 87-62 is .583. Dino is 37-16 (.698) at two different stops. Art Briles is 64-37 at Baylor, (.634). He was 4-8 each of his first two years. I don't expect Babers to be 4-8 each of the next two years, (if he is, the same people who wanted Shafer out will want him out, too.) After those two years, Briles is 56-21 (.727).

If this works like we hope, I'd expect to Babers to win 2/3 of his games over his tenure here.

Babers isn't taking over a program close to as rough a shape as Baylor was when Briles took over, and Baylor was in better shape than SU was by the end of 2008.

If he has two 4-8 seasons people will be justified in wondering what's going on.

 

[All4SU]

Briles was the president of Texas HSFB association before he was Baylor HC.
Texas HSFB is top 3 in the nation. he can recruit Josh Gordon, Terrance Williams, Corey Coleman from Texas without having to leave his home state. I don't expect Baylor results at Syracuse.
7-5/8-4 with an occasional 9-3/10-2 is all Syracuse should expect. Our recruiting ground is not elite enough to expect our recruiting to feed us consistent top 25 recruiting classes.

87-62 would be pretty damn good.

With all due respect, as a long time fan, I don't know what SU's ceiling is. But I believe things happen that cannot be predicted.

 

[OrangeAl]

I'm expecting Dino to match or exceed Pasqualoni's winning percentage (about 65%), not Tiller's.

 

[IthacaMatt]

With all due respect, as a long time fan, I don't know what SU's ceiling is. But I believe things happen that cannot be predicted.

Our ceiling is a return to the McNabb years. And even then, we lost 3 games a year. If we are winning 8 games a year, 9 with a bowl win, I think people will be back and I think most reasonable people will be pretty happy.

 

[SWC75]

Briles was the president of Texas HSFB association before he was Baylor HC.
Texas HSFB is top 3 in the nation. he can recruit Josh Gordon, Terrance Williams, Corey Coleman from Texas without having to leave his home state. I don't expect Baylor results at Syracuse.
7-5/8-4 with an occasional 9-3/10-2 is all Syracuse should expect. Our recruiting ground is not elite enough to expect our recruiting to feed us consistent top 25 recruiting classes.

87-62 would be pretty damn good.

If teams only recruited form their home state I would agree with you. But with this offense, we can recruit nation-wide. Players will come from all over to play this way in the Dome. And Baber has done better than .584 coaching far from Texas.

I'not predicting national championships. I'm saying I think we can win 2/3 of our games, which is 8-4. Pasqualoni won 63% of his games here. I think Babers can do at least as well.

And when the fan base gets over just having wining seasons you'll find they want more. That's the nature of any fan base, as Coach P found out.

 

[SWC75]

Our ceiling is a return to the McNabb years. And even then, we lost 3 games a year. If we are winning 8 games a year, 9 with a bowl win, I think people will be back and I think most reasonable people will be pretty happy.

Which would be winning 2/3 of your games.