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Message: [QUOTE="SoBristol, post: 1638857, member: 485"] In terms of geography, how much different is Babers' reach compared to Shafer's? Apart from one CA kid (coach there played for Babers), it seems heavy in the mid-west and Florida; Shafer also hit the Midwest, plus NJ, FL, GA, LA. Babers used his winning record at BGSU as a selling point this time around, and the "believe without evidence" theme that winning will continue at SU. He can do the same thing for the 2017 cycle, with half the class expected to be committed by the end of July. Then -- need to win games in the ACC. I think he will, but many (for example, all the PS writers) are skeptics. [/QUOTE]