Distance between Mahoney and Miner growing over SU stadium project

[Orangeyes]

http://centralny.twcnews.com/conten...ey-and-miner-growing-over-su-stadium-project/

 

[Doctor44]

Can someone explain to me to me the scenario where 250 million dollars to develop and improve te city woud be bad? Does she hate sports and want a theater built instead?

I understand the 'there may be other priorities' but up the state says we have 250 million how do you not take that?

 

[TheCusian]

Can someone explain to me to me the scenario where 250 million dollars to develop and improve te city woud be bad? Does she hate sports and want a theater built instead? I understand the 'there may be other priorities' but up the state says we have 250 million how do you not take that?

Nail on the head, I think. She was mad because she wasn't consulted - but more importantly - she didn't get to pick her priorities with the $.

I'd be ticked too. But in the end? Money into local economy is a net plus.

 

[Doctor44]

Nail on the head, I think. She was mad because she wasn't consulted - but more importantly - she didn't get to pick her priorities with the $.

I'd be ticked too. But in the end? Money into local economy is a net plus.

That's what we need, more politicians who's ego gets in the way of helping people.

There's a lot of problems with Syracuse. However, from a national perspective, the only reason someone from florida or arizona knows the city of Syracuse is by the university's sports teams. I think the city needs to embrace the fact that national exposure goes through the university. Well work on our problems slowly - poor schools, gang violence, beaten down areas of the city, but also have to help the university stay relevant and important.

 

[MaxwellCuse]

That's what we need, more politicians who's ego gets in the way of helping people.

There's a lot of problems with Syracuse. However, from a national perspective, the only reason someone from florida or arizona knows the city of Syracuse is by the university's sports teams. I think the city needs to embrace the fact that national exposure goes through the university. Well work on our problems slowly - poor schools, gang violence, beaten down areas of the city, but also have to help the university stay relevant and important.

Syracuse owes its national reputation -- such as it is -- to ESPN and The Weather Channel.

 

[Full_Rebar]

No one who lives in CNY should agree that the best use for state money is a new stadium for SU. I have major doubts that the stadium plan pitched would do anything for long-term economic development in Syracuse and I am glad Syverud is also willing to look at all options. We complain about student attendance/parking all the time and that plan wouldn't help either issue. I'm not a fan of this task force, and would rather see some expert consultants brought in to look at a well-developed plan that would address the major issues facing the Dome.

Last night's Upon Further Review focused on stadium talk and it was one of the best shows they've ever had. Casullo was on and he said the problem with the Dome isn't the facility, and if you have an issue with attendance, than it's the marketing. He basically said if you want to say that fans will come when the team wins, then cut the marketing budget and put it into football. He said it shouldn't be the job of the coaches to have to worry about selling tickets as well as winning games. His point is that the size of the Dome was perfect for creating an intimidating home advantage for football and hoops and that if they want to build something new and "Downtown", then build a 22k hoops/hockey arena with all the amenities.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

I have been led to understand that the University wants to use the space on which the Dome sits to construct a new academic building.
The Dome, for terms of attracting national top quality football players, is a hindrance, at best.
The look of the Dome on TV is boring and antiseptic.
A new stadium, located elsewhere, if done in conjunction with other development, could be the catalyst to a economic upswing in the local economy.
New development that we already know is coming is the I-81 replacement. With a new stadium, SU's ongoing construction, etc. That is a lot of wages that are going to be earned and spent in CNY.
The Dome will need to be replaced at sometime. Why not now, when it can help the recruiting and possible resurgence of the FB program.
My preference, if this was to be done, would be to place it near the inner harbor. Couple it with a tram for students to to get from SU, to downtown, to Armory, to the stadium, to the mall, to the transportation center and to the airport. Let's move Syracuse into the 21st century. A hipper town, with good public transportation, can attract new residents and investment.
If not at the Inner Harbor, then downtown, or in the space between the baseball stadium and the mall, as long as we are messing with 81.

I vote yes, and that is from someone who used to attend the Dome but will likely never attend an athletic event at SU again, new stadium or not.

 

[Doctor44]

The state is going to waste the money no matter what happens. Even if they dedicate the money to the care of foster children or uninsured people with health problems, they'll waste a significant portion of it on overhead - such as pens, rent in buildings that is too expensive and hiring too many employees.

A certain part of the budget is dedicated to development. I think its naive to say that money is best used elsewhere and assume that the money is going to be used for a higher purpose. Auditing of governments budgets is a painful endeavor of wasted money.

I think that the structure of the dome is a concern and we're waiting for a big disaster to cause a problem - see roof collapses, falling concrete from the ceiling, etc. I also think that the parking and tailgating of the stadium really lacks. Tailgating is an integral experience of college football. As much as i think the Dome rocks when its sold out and its a big game, it sucks for tailgating. At some point, we;re gonna have to replace the Dome. The university and city is always behind in funding. I hope that something awful doesn't happen or that when we finally decide it needs to be replaced that funding can't be found.

Lets not discount the benefit of construction jobs and the development of an area that is becoming more an more run down.

 

[CousCuse]

Build a new all sports arena, put a clear top on the dome , supported inside and turn into a biosphere research center and year round park operated by ESF.

 

[rrlbees]

No one who lives in CNY should agree that the best use for state money is a new stadium for SU. I have major doubts that the stadium plan pitched would do anything for long-term economic development in Syracuse and I am glad Syverud is also willing to look at all options. We complain about student attendance/parking all the time and that plan wouldn't help either issue. I'm not a fan of this task force, and would rather see some expert consultants brought in to look at a well-developed plan that would address the major issues facing the Dome. Last night's Upon Further Review focused on stadium talk and it was one of the best shows they've ever had. Casullo was on and he said the problem with the Dome isn't the facility, and if you have an issue with attendance, than it's the marketing. He basically said if you want to say that fans will come when the team wins, then cut the marketing budget and put it into football. He said it shouldn't be the job of the coaches to have to worry about selling tickets as well as winning games. His point is that the size of the Dome was perfect for creating an intimidating home advantage for football and hoops and that if they want to build something new and "Downtown", then build a 22k hoops/hockey arena with all the amenities.

That's all well and good as long as people who have that opinion realize that the money is going to be used anyways but not in CNY.

 

[cuseinchina]

That's all well and good as long as people who have that opinion realize that the money is going to be used anyways but not in CNY.

this reminds me of poor uninsured people voting for politicians who will turn away obamacare money to expand Medicaid. They won't all of a sudden face a lower tax burden, the funds will just flow somewhere else.

 

[OttoMets]

I have been led to understand that the University wants to use the space on which the Dome sits to construct a new academic building.
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Someone gave you bad information (or at least an opinion based on a situation that has changed).

Couple it with a tram for students to to get from SU, to downtown, to Armory, to the stadium, to the mall, to the transportation center and to the airport. Let's move Syracuse into the 21st century. A hipper town, with good public transportation, can attract new residents and investment...

This, of course, is true, despite the fact that "public transportation" seems to rub older, longtime Central New Yorkers the wrong way.