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Disturbing offense stat from last year via ESPN

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@DavidHaleESPN: #Syracuse scored a TD on just 8.4% of its drives vs. P5 last year. Only 3 P5 teams have been worse since 2004.


Our offense has such a low bar to overcome this upcoming year. Offense in college football across the nation is on the up tick I just want to see Syracuse jump aboard that train.
 
Because they played 3 different qbs that shouldn't have really seen the field that year. And a defense that got them the ball back pretty often.
 
It's safe to say last year's offense was a worst-case scenario. There were constant injuries at QB and O-Line, a lousy scheme, poor blocking, and bad play calling. This can only get better.
 
@DavidHaleESPN: #Syracuse scored a TD on just 8.4% of its drives vs. P5 last year. Only 3 P5 teams have been worse since 2004.


Our offense has such a low bar to overcome this upcoming year. Offense in college football across the nation is on the up tick I just want to see Syracuse jump aboard that train.
i wonder what it would've taken on the field for shafer to say hmmm maybe lester isn't the guy

how bad would it have needed to be?
 
shafers job is in lesters hands -thats a bad spot to be in if your a head coach

kinda hard to have any type or kind of faith in offensive production after last year

excuses score points as much as punts
 
get rid of the pro style offensive coordinator from michigan 2012, move to the gimmick malzahn spread

whattayaknow that worked!
It's not all scheme. And it's not all coaching them up. think back to the players we had in the '90's. See any of those guys on last years team?
 
It's not all scheme. And it's not all coaching them up. think back to the players we had in the '90's. See any of those guys on last years team?
i know it's not all scheme. but auburn did suck really bad in 2012 in that type of offense. their qbs stunk. it's scheme + qb
 
Millhouse said:
i know it's not all scheme. but auburn did suck really bad in 2012 in that type of offense. their qbs stunk. it's scheme + qb
Yep in Auburns case I'd say that had a whole lot to do with scheme. They put Marshall in at QB, but there was a lot of carry over from that putrid 2012 offense, to Malzahn's . Doesn't hurt that Malzahn is one of the best offensive minds in football.
 
i wonder what it would've taken on the field for shafer to say hmmm maybe lester isn't the guy

how bad would it have needed to be?
My jaded guess is that nothing could have. Certainly not with the injuries, which I truly think would be used as a justification in Shafer's mind (not saying whether it's correct). Even without them, next up would be "using someone else's playbook". I think (hope) he will make a more thorough assessment this year. I hope that "first year of a new scheme" is not next in line in his mind.
 
It's not all scheme. And it's not all coaching them up. think back to the players we had in the '90's. See any of those guys on last years team?

Yes, there were many guys on last year's team that could have played well in the 90's. Ishmael, West, Erv Phillips, PTG, Custis, Hunt, probably AJ Long, Hickey, Ron Thompson, Davis, Lynch, Eskridge, Whigam, maybe Morgan.

Average players now would have performed even better if you placed them magically on our team in the 90's.

Advances in training and equipment have made both average and elite players better today than they were just 25 years ago. Advances in development of football skills at a younger age now due to more emphasis on developmental football programs through middle school and high school did the same. Finally, there are now 65 football teams that take football as seriously and put as many or more resources into college football as SU does, whereas in the 90's that wasn't true. That means we play against better teams now than we did in the 90's.
 
i wonder what it would've taken on the field for shafer to say hmmm maybe lester isn't the guy

how bad would it have needed to be?
Again, you're asking the wrong question. It's not how bad the play-calling was. It's how bad the scheme was. And Lester couldn't change the scheme mid-stream.
 
Millhouse said:
i wonder what it would've taken on the field for shafer to say hmmm maybe lester isn't the guy how bad would it have needed to be?

He wouldn't have. He knew he was trying to work with a freshman QB running someone else's system - with a broken line.
 
Again, you're asking the wrong question. It's not how bad the play-calling was. It's how bad the scheme was. And Lester couldn't change the scheme mid-stream.
we know that scheme isn't bad. there's no mystery about it.
 
Yep in Auburns case I'd say that had a whole lot to do with scheme. They put Marshall in at QB, but there was a lot of carry over from that putrid 2012 offense, to Malzahn's . Doesn't hurt that Malzahn is one of the best offensive minds in football.
and the scheme is a big reason why they were able to get marshall in the first place
 
Let's not ignore this part of the stat...

David Hale @DavidHaleESPN · 3h3 hours ago
Since 2004 there’ve been 734 seasons by AQ/P5 teams. Only twice has a team scored fewer pts in its last 5 games than #Cuse did in 2014 (47).

Last 5 games- Clemson, NC State, Duke, Pitt, BC for those who successfully erased them from memory.
 
i wonder what it would've taken on the field for shafer to say hmmm maybe lester isn't the guy

how bad would it have needed to be?
Maybe if all our punters got injured.
 
Was the O-Line that broken in the final 5 games? Outside of Clemson, that group isn't a who's who of the top defenses in the ACC.
 
We know that the scheme wasn't bad? Were you watching the same scheme I was?
the n zone is fine. there is a reason why he's able to sell it to so many schools and why UCLA is pretty good on offense.

mcdonald was an idiot who couldn't count and couldn't call a play. i don't blame the n zone for mcdonald force feeding bubble screens into areas where we're outnumbered.

everyone wants to look at elmhurst, acosta did just fine with the n zone at podunk schools too.
 
javadoc said:
My jaded guess is that nothing could have. Certainly not with the injuries, which I truly think would be used as a justification in Shafer's mind (not saying whether it's correct). Even without them, next up would be "using someone else's playbook". I think (hope) he will make a more thorough assessment this year. I hope that "first year of a new scheme" is not next in line in his mind.

Those are all more than reasonable points of view. Unreasonable would be to hold him fully accountable despite those things.
 
the n zone is fine. there is a reason why he's able to sell it to so many schools and why UCLA is pretty good on offense.

mcdonald was an idiot who couldn't count and couldn't call a play. i don't blame the n zone for mcdonald force feeding bubble screens into areas where we're outnumbered.

everyone wants to look at elmhurst, acosta did just fine with the n zone at podunk schools too.
I agree with you that McDonald was an idiot. But it goes deeper than play calling. We didn't have the personnel to run the N Zone- No shifty receivers, no one who can shed tackles, no physical blockers down field. Our best running back (Smith) was misused, our tight ends under-utilized, and the mid-range passing game was completely abandoned.
 
Was the O-Line that broken in the final 5 games? Outside of Clemson, that group isn't a who's who of the top defenses in the ACC.

Yes, we were playing third string linemen at times. Hickey, Trudo, Palmer, Foy, Hayes, Robinson were all playing injured. I believe Robinson ended up being out for the year. Roberts had to burn his redshirt and Ward almost did. These guys were really the walking wounded.
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Add injuries to Estime, Broyld, Custis, Lewis, Enoicy, Moore, Parris. Estime, Broyld, for most of the year with Enoicy the whole year. You would think that we were on a sitcom by the end of the year with GMcD playing Radar. I believe McFarlane was banged up also.

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Finally, add to that the fact that Hunt down for the year, Long was out multiple games, and Wilson went down with either ribs or concussion (forget which one). At one point West was the backup QB.

Yes, there were many guys on last year's team that could have played well in the 90's. Ishmael, West, Erv Phillips, PTG, Custis, Hunt, probably AJ Long, Hickey, Ron Thompson, Davis, Lynch, Eskridge, Whigam, maybe Morgan.

I would not put PTG in that list. He, outside a couple of games, hurt the team more then he helped. If you go back and watch there are multiple times in most games where he really really hurt the offense. I am not sure what got into him last year, but he decided he wanted to get all Barry Sanders which he is not. His strength was making one cut and hitting the hole, last year he would dance behind the line. Multiple times he even ran backwards trying to shake defenders and loosing major yardage. He def made the OLine look worse than it was. Erv proved that the line was not as bad as he was able to make the hole after one cut. I heard rumors that there were possible some past behaviors that haunted him in his early career on the hill. We really needed Jerome last year or more of AM.

Haven't see enough of Custis. Whigham was getting abused last year and he was supposed to be one of our lock down corners. I don't see Long being more than a Nunes or R.J Anderson. I really love the kid but don't see him being more than a transition QB between Hunt and the next QB. I hope I am wrong but, if he doesn't get the nod, I hope he is willing to pull a Kevin Johnson. I think the next multiple year starter was recruited in this class or will be recruited in the 2016 class.

The scheme really did hurt us last year after the injuries. We needed to be more of a South North team and trying to play the East West game with so many playing injured killed us. It is much easier for a linemen to play head on when they are injured. Added to that, I don't think we had the type of players to play that type of scheme. Many youngins saw early Pt when they should have had a redshirt. Last year reminded me of the 2011 team and the effects injuries played on that team.

As much as we might blame the scheme, it def was not right for us and the OC was majorly indecisive, people seriously majorly under estimate how bad the injuries hurt us last year added with the 8 game stretch. We played some major teams head up in the beginning of the year.

If we could have avoided the injuries, I see us beating BC, Pitt, and NCS possibly Duke. We gave Maryland the game and out gained them by something like 400 yards. Think Rutgers game when we had something like 5 turnovers.
 
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