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Having games cancelled vs. FSU and Louisville twice robs us of the opportunity to earn some quality wins. But it also may have saved us from 3 additional losses. Is this a net plus or minus as far as tourney consideration is concerned?
 
if we finish 3/1 I think we are in. No bad losses; no good wins ... but we lost a chance at 4 quality wins + 1 easy win. I think we get the benefit of the doubt; especially considering the financial aspect of March madness
 
Madbiker said:
Having games cancelled vs. FSU and Louisville twice robs us of the opportunity to earn some quality wins. But it also may have saved us from 3 additional losses. Is this a net plus or minus as far as tourney consideration is concerned?
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Probably hurt quite a bit tonight. A possibly depleted Louisville that hasn't played in seemingly ages, and on the road, was an incredible opportunity.
 
Don't forget Clemson too. No idea how the committee will look.at it. We need to go 3-1 to have a chance. And we can't lose to ND.
 
I guess it keeps the streak alive seeing as we can’t finish with more than 11 losses right?
 
Simply working off the bracket matrix and assuming it is an accurate barometer of our standing.

We have some real work to do to get back on the good side We need realistic quality win opportunities -- they could sink us, but really need them to jump.

If we were much closer to the line, it could be argued both ways.
 
This will not help us. This team was not going to post season last year. This year will be more of the same
 
These lost games kill our chances to get resume wins.

We played a soft nonconference schedule and Georgetown sucking kills the strength when we only played one other P6 team.

If we just went 2-3 against ULx2, Clemson, FSU, and Wake we would be in the tournament as of now.

We just need a couple of solid wins to make the tournament.
I wish we switched games with Pitt and got FSU at home this weekend and ND went to Pitt.

ND is a no win game. They have enough to beat us and it’s not a resume win for us if we beat them.
 
Alsacs said:
These lost games kill our chances to get resume wins.

We played a soft nonconference schedule and Georgetown sucking kills the strength when we only played one other P6 team.

If we just went 2-3 against ULx2, Clemson, FSU, and Wake we would be in the tournament as of now.

We just need a couple of solid wins to make the tournament.
I wish we switched games with Pitt and got FSU at home this weekend and ND went to Pitt.

ND is a no win game. They have enough to beat us and it’s not a resume win for us if we beat them.
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ND would still be a win. 9 ACC wins is still solid on the resume. Unfortunately for us, UNC is almost always a loss lol
 
jdubs30 said:
ND would still be a win. 9 ACC wins is still solid on the resume. Unfortunately for us, UNC is almost always a loss lol
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Michigan State beat Notre Dame at home and beat Duke at Duke.
Their Rutgers win at home is the same as our win against Virginia Tech at home.

They are 10-9 because their conference is loaded and not in the field. They have games against Illinois, Ohio State and Michigan

If they win one of those they will pass us on the bubble and they aren’t even on it now.

Beating Notre Dame doesn’t help.
 
Let's look at the big picture for a moment. We are 12-6 and 6-5 in a power conference, admittedly in a down year for that conference but still a power conference. We now have four scheduled regular season games. They may be a fifth but let's stick with what we know. the issue is whether we could secure a berth in the NCAAs with these four games. That means we are assuming we will lose our first ACC tournament game, thus forcing us to rely on what happens in these next four games to get in.

- We could go 4-0, then lose in the ACCT first round. We'd be 16-7and 10-6 in a power conference. It's hard to imagine that we would be left out with such a record. But then it was hard to imagine 2007, when we were 22-10 and 11-7 in the Big East and didn't get in due to some kind of deal that put Arkansas in and put us in their slot in the NIT, (which the NCAA owns).

- We could go 3-1, then lose the ACCT opener. We'd be 15-8 and 9-7. That sounds more like a bubble team to me but on top of the bubble. We we beat and who we lost to would start to be a factor.

- We could go 2-2 and lose the ACCT opener. We'd be 14-9 and 8-8. That would be in the bubble and the lack of marquee wins would probably put us in the NIT.

- We could go 1-3 and lose the ACCT opener. We'd be 13-10 and 7-9 and certainly an NIT team.

- We could go 0-4 and lost the ACCT opener. it would be the first time JB's ever lost 5 in a row and first time for the program since 1969. We'd be 12-11, 6-10. Would we still be in the NIT? They love to hold games in the Dome but would anyone get to go? If we did see post season action, we could still lose the streak by going one and done and thus 12-12.

Playing Clemson again could make things better or it could make things worse. Just win, baby. It's the answer to all of our problems, now and forever.
 
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We needed to play them all dang it. Even if we lost every one. However, if we went 2-2 in those four our situation would improve somewhat. A 3-1 record (obviously somewhat optimistic) would get us in for sure I think. The way we have struggled through most of the year I won't even fathom going 4-0. Obviously 0-4 would be a possibility as well.

I believe ND has been playing really well of late so that will not be an easy task at all. Duke will be a tossup as I don't think they are as bad as their record indicates. I don't see GT being any kind of pushover either. UNC - we know what happens when their big guys work on us. Who knows how these final four games will turn out. Could be 4-0 or 0-4. I just want to see the kids play and finish out the season. Opportunities are there if they play smart. Let the chips fall where they may.
 
SWC75 said:
- We could go 3-1, then lose the ACCT opener. We'd be 15-8 and 9-7. That sounds more like a bubble team to me but on top of the bubble. We we beat and who we lost to would start to be a factor.
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I dunno, the idea that we could go 3-2 down the stretch (i.e. more or less "treading water") against a weak schedule and somehow catapult from totally out of the field to in the field... I just don't see it. Especially given how weak our resume currently is.
 
Eric15 said:
I dunno, the idea that we could go 3-2 down the stretch (i.e. more or less "treading water") against a weak schedule and somehow catapult from totally out of the field to in the field... I just don't see it. Especially given how weak our resume currently is.
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By "on top of the bubble I meant in the bubble but the upper half of it -still with a good chance to get in but nothing assured.
 
I don't know. But I know the Ivy League's automatic bid is vacant. We should just go get that spot if no one wants it. Make some calls.
 
SWC75 said:
Let's look at the big picture for a moment. We are 12-6 and 6-5 in a power conference, admittedly in a down year for that conference but still a power conference. We now have four scheduled regular season games. They may be a fifth but let's stick with what we know. the issue is whether we could secure a berth in the NCAAs with these four games. That means we are assuming we will lose our first ACC tournament game, thus forcing us to rely on what happens in these next four games to get in.

- We could go 4-0, then lose in the ACCT first round. We'd be 16-7and 10-6 in a power conference. It's hard to imagine that we would be left out with such a record. But then it was hard to imagine 2007, when we were 22-10 and 11-7 in the Big East and didn't get in due to some kind of deal that put Arkansas in and put us in their slot in the NIT, (which the NCAA owns).

- We could go 3-1, then lose the ACCT opener. We'd be 15-8 and 9-7. That sounds more like a bubble team to me but on top of the bubble. We we beat and who we lost to would start to be a factor.

- We could go 2-2 and lose the ACCT opener. We'd be 14-9 and 8-8. That would be in the bubble and the lack of marquee wins would probably put us in the NIT.

- We could go 1-3 and lose the ACCT opener. We'd be 13-10 and 7-9 and certainly an NIT team.

- We could go 0-4 and lost the ACCT opener. it would be the first time JB's ever lost 5 in a row and first time for the program since 1969. We'd be 12-11, 6-10. Would we still be in the NIT? They love to hold games in the Dome but would anyone get to go? If we did see post season action, we could still lose the streak by going one and done and thus 12-12.

Playing Clemson again could make things better or it could make things worse. Just win, baby. It's the answer to all of our problems, now and forever.
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But what about scenarios where we win one or even two games in the ACC tourney? What a lazy post (kidding).

On a serious note, I agree with all of those scenarios. It will probably come down to 2-2 or 3-1 where we will continue to sweat. That's why the ACC tournament could be big for us (if it happens).
 
Definitely hurts. No way we are currently in. Despite our winning record, we don't pass the "look" test based on our overall play, our lack of noteworthy wins, and the decidedly unimpressive/mediocre status of the ACC this year. This will be especially true this year when you can't really compare just wins and losses due to the Covid postponements which vary for each team. IMO, only way we have a chance to get in will be to win at least 3 (4) of our remaining 4 (5) regular season games, plus at least 2 in the ACC tourney. Can't lose to Pitt twice and expect to get the benefit of the doubt.
 
Whats our recent history vs Louisville like? Not good off top of my head.

That can easily be 2 losses and season all but over.

The pause after Buffalo hurt Lville cancellations probably helped.
 
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