Do the refs not like boeheim?

[CorduroyG]

It's unbelievable. This reminded me of the ohio st game in boston elite 8. JB should command a little more respect from the refs.

 

[OrangeCrush22]

Considering it's only the second time this has happened in almost three years, I'd say that refs aren't out to get Boeheim.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

And McCullough just got called for his 6th foul...

 

[Cowtown]

I don't know whether they generally dislike him, but I'm pretty sure they ALL took exception to his going off like he did on Tony Greene during the Duke game last year. Where that went from there is anyone's guess, however.

 

[JarHeadJim]

McCullough got his 5 th foul for jumping to hi.

 

[AZOrange]

I don't know whether they generally dislike him, but I'm pretty sure they ALL took exception to his going off like he did on Tony Greene during the Duke game last year. Where that went from there is anyone's guess, however.

Tony Greene is the worst official walking this earth. No hyperbole either.

 

[tptcuse]

And McCullough just got called for his 6th foul...

Cooney just got called for a push off foul for getting on the team bus in front of Patterson.

 

[raf4488]

Nah, they were just incompetent today. Some of these old guys travel around and ref games for 30 or 40 consecutive days with no break, so of course they're going to be inconsistent. It's really bad for the game and the NCAA needs to stop this from happening.

I just think these guys get lazy because they're fatigued/overworked, and it can be easier to favor the home team or the team with "momentum" even if it's not happening consciously or intentionally.

 

[NYCSUGrad]

Nah, they were just incompetent today. Some of these old guys travel around and ref games for 30 or 40 consecutive days with no break, so of course they're going to be inconsistent. It's really bad for the game and the NCAA needs to stop this from happening. I just think these guys get lazy because they're fatigued/overworked, and it can be easier to favor the home team or the team with "momentum" even if it's not happening consciously or intentionally.

That is incredibly generous of you.

 

[orangefan13]

the white guy with the blond hair is pegged for the duke games there is no doubt in my mind.

 

[Cowtown]

That is incredibly generous of you.

I gave it a *like* because it's certainly reasonable for that to be part of the problem. And it's true that it's amazing how much they fly around. A friend of mine puts his chiro/sports med practice on hold during basketball season and makes more $$$ reffing div 1 ball.

 

[RF2044]

What drives me nuts is that we've seen virtually ZERO change, despite the points of emphasis that got made on the rule book last year. It had some minor short term changes last season, and then the vast majority of refs went right back to calling games the same way they'd been calling them.

This scrum crap is bad for basketball. At least the NBA was smart enough to do something about it. College basketball needs to figure it out, too-fast.

 

[llandz]

I'm waiting for one of these guys to drop on the floor. They are all at least 10 years older than me, and I can't run up and down the court like that. Some of them look pretty winded at times.
Also let's not forget the reason JB went off on the ref last year after the Duke game, and most of all that ref's explanation for his call. He decides what is going to happen before it happens based on the mostly likely scenario, and then makes the call. Seriously this game seemed to have a lot of that type of play calling going on.
I am extremely frustrated.
Our players clearly towed the line since the last game. They must have practiced hard, they listened to coach, they did everything right, and this is what they got. Are they perfect, no. But this game was stolen from them I feel extremely bad for them.

 

[RF2044]

I'm waiting for one of these guys to drop on the floor. They are all at least 10 years older than me, and I can't run up and down the court like that. Some of them look pretty winded at times.
Also let's not forget the reason JB went off on the ref last year after the Duke game, and most of all that ref's explanation for his call. He decides what is going to happen before it happens based on the mostly likely scenario, and then makes the call. Seriously this game seemed to have a lot of that type of play calling going on.
I am extremely frustrated.
Our players clearly towed the line since the last game. They must have practiced hard, they listened to coach, they did everything right, and this is what they got. Are they perfect, no. But this game was stolen from them I feel extremely bad for them.

Agreed--it was stolen from us.

That said, our execution down the stretch in regulation left a LOT to be desired. But honestly--if the refs hadn't been officiating the game like it was rugby, it wouldn't have come down to a play or two at the end.

 

[Cowtown]

What drives me nuts is that we've seen virtually ZERO change, despite the points of emphasis that got made on the rule book last year. It had some minor short term changes last season, and then the vast majority of refs went right back to calling games the same way they'd been calling them.

This scrum crap is bad for basketball. At least the NBA was smart enough to do something about it. College basketball needs to figure it out, too-fast.

I agree to a certain extent. However it's far more difficult in the NCAA to effect substantive change. Not the least of which is the old boys' club at the tops of their associations, who aren't going to change much even if they were offered free beer and a night with Jennifer Bini Taylor. But that;s why Jim Burr and Tim Higgins lasted well beyond their best before date: because at least with them and their ilk you know what you're getting. Better the devil ya know ... The second is more problematic: there are approx 350 Div I teams, 280 Div II, another 350 Div III, and then 200 plus in the NAIA. And that's just the men's teams. Notice I didn't mention junior colleges. So there are thousands of officials. The NBA has about 65-75 refs, and it's a LOT easier to coerce uniformity from a group that size. That, and they do nothing else, they're professional referees, which is certainly not true in the college ranks.

 

[Cowtown]

I'm waiting for one of these guys to drop on the floor. They are all at least 10 years older than me, and I can't run up and down the court like that. Some of them look pretty winded at times.

That's one of the problems that arose when they went to the 3 man crew. It extended the careers of the dinosaurs.

 

[RF2044]

I agree to a certain extent. However it's far more difficult in the NCAA to effect substantive change. Not the least of which is the old boys' club at the tops of their associations, who aren't going to change much even if they were offered free beer and a night with Jennifer Bini Taylor. But that;s why Jim Burr and Tim Higgins lasted well beyond their best before date: because at least with them and their ilk you know what you're getting. Better the devil ya know ... The second is more problematic: there are approx 350 Div I teams, 280 Div II, another 350 Div III, and then 200 plus in the NAIA. And that's just the men's teams. Notice I didn't mention junior colleges. So there are thousands of officials. The NBA has about 65-75 refs, and it's a LOT easier to coerce uniformity from a group that size. That, and they do nothing else, they're professional referees, which is certainly not true in the college ranks.

That's a really good point.

However, it is incumbent upon the NCAA to figure this out. There is no excuse for such wild variance. Especially when the NCAA has taken the public stance that they want to address the issues, and have enacted rule changes. Something has to change. College basketball is worse for the officiating in recent years. I don't accept that because there's complexity solving the problem, that they shouldn't try.

 

[PeteCalvin]

I don't know whether they generally dislike him, but I'm pretty sure they ALL took exception to his going off like he did on Tony Greene during the Duke game last year. Where that went from there is anyone's guess, however.

If referee's have thin skin...then they shouldn't be doing the job. If you blow calls, own em. This crew today was terrible. Flat out awful. We were never going to win that game with their assistance. Nova wasn't going to win without it.

 

[Cowtown]

That's a really good point.

However, it is incumbent upon the NCAA to figure this out. There is no excuse for such wild variance. Especially when the NCAA has taken the public stance that they want to address the issues, and have enacted rule changes. Something has to change. College basketball is worse for the officiating in recent years. I don't accept that because there's complexity solving the problem, that they shouldn't try.

I don't disagree. One of the reasons I liked the move to the ACC is that I was so disappointed in the thug style of play which had developed in the BE - UConn, Pitt, Marquette, Cinci ...

 

[HOFCeluck]

The refs sucked but "stole the game" is to far...considering how we self destructed in the last twenty seconds.

 

[RF2044]

The refs sucked but "stole the game" is to far...considering how we self destructed in the last twenty seconds.

I don't agree. Those plays in the last 20 seconds wouldn't have mattered if this game had even been 75/25 in terms of bias.

I don't disagree that our execution wasn't what it needed to be. 20 turnovers is too much, no matter how you cut it. But quite a few of those were on questionable calls that blatantly advantaged Villanova in key situations. Very frustrating. We were the better team today, but DID have it stolen by poor officiating, which kept the game much closer than it legitimately should have been.

Those plays in the last 20 seconds wouldn't have had any impact [if they occurred at all], if we are up 8.

But 20 turnovers... yeah, we have lots of work to do.

 

[NYCSUGrad]

The refs sucked but "stole the game" is to far...considering how we self destructed in the last twenty seconds.

If we got fair calls we'd have been up by at least 12 as opposed to 5 and could not have blown it.

 

[HOFCeluck]

I don't agree. Those plays in the last 20 seconds wouldn't have mattered if this game had even been 75/25 in terms of bias.

I don't disagree that our execution wasn't what it needed to be. 20 turnovers is too much, no matter how you cut it. But quite a few of those were on questionable calls that blatantly advantaged Villanova in key situations. Very frustrating. We were the better team today, but DID have it stolen by poor officiating, which kept the game much closer than it legitimately should have been.

Those plays in the last 20 seconds wouldn't have had any impact [if they occurred at all], if we are up 8.

But 20 turnovers... yeah, we have lots of work to do.

I get it and I'm real pissed about the reffing. But if we execute half as well as a normal JAB coached team we win the game in spite of the one sided officiating. I Think that's the worst for me.

 

[RF2044]

I get it and I'm real pissed about the reffing. But if we execute half as well as a normal JAB coached team we win the game in spite of the one sided officiating. I Think that's the worst for me.

I hear you. A little better execution, and we win.

But it sucks that we got handcuffed by poor officiating. Generally, its pointless to complain about the refs, or a play or two or a bad call or two that doesn't go your way. This wasn't that. This was a game long travesty that screwed the better team.

And despite all that, as you point out--hit a few more FTs, don't turn the ball over at the end, etc. and we STILL win. Despite the reffing incompetence.

:bang:

 

[Cowtown]

I get it and I'm real pissed about the reffing. But if we execute half as well as a normal JAB coached team we win the game in spite of the one sided officiating. I Think that's the worst for me.

I agree doc, we still had opportunities to win that game. And a lot of others here agree also. Up 5 with 27 seconds, and we give up a 4 second lay-up? I mean really, What went on with that?