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Message: [QUOTE="rrlbees, post: 1175754, member: 96"] I actually get what he means. Except for maybe the second half of 2012 it's been painful since 2001. That's 13 years of average at best and mostly below average if not bad. That's a long time. Every new coach, we have to wait 4-5 years till they get "their players" or we have to wait until a class of incoming recruits gets here or a freshmen class matures. It's always something. It's time to just start winning on a consistent basis and making a 7 win season the so so year but not the norm. With a bowl win, a 7-6 season is bland. [/QUOTE]