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Message: [QUOTE="Dr. Bill, post: 4793926, member: 5045"] I agree with most of your sentiment here, we are who we are! As far as the cold and the snow..it is a serious issue for kids now that we are in the ACC and compete against warm weather schools. The schools you mention, OSU, PSU and MSU all compete against each other and similar cold weather schools. Look at the great Southern Migration...NY, Jersey, New England...all those folks are moving to the ACC footprint schools in NC, SC, and Florida. ...and News Flash: 18 year old kids love seeing half dressed coeds walking the campus almost year round. Visit Clemson on a nice Friday afternoon in October...You might not want to leave... [/QUOTE]