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Pete Sala kind of gave away what is going to happen with a new stadium. He mentioned on the radio today that a new roof will need to be done pretty soon at the Dome. The way he said it sounds like that's the plan moving forwad. I think we're looking at a renovation and not a new stadium. I'm happy with that.
 
Pete Sala kind of gave away what is going to happen with a new stadium. He mentioned on the radio today that a new roof will need to be done pretty soon at the Dome. The way he said it sounds like that's the plan moving forwad. I think we're looking at a renovation and not a new stadium. I'm happy with that.
Retractable? ;)
 
If it's not retractable we're missing out on a chance to be unique - which is a huge selling point. $25M is chump change in the grand scheme of things. The leaf rakers can't complain about being stuck indoors. Either that, or we'll have to burn down all non-coniferous trees in a 50 square mile radius.
 
If it's not retractable we're missing out on a chance to be unique - which is a huge selling point. $25M is chump change in the grand scheme of things. The leaf rakers can't complain about being stuck indoors. Either that, or we'll have to burn down all non-coniferous trees in a 50 square mile radius.

I'm not an architect or an engineer, but I have some familiarity with design and construction.

The Dome was designed with a fabric roof. The walls were designed to bear that weight plus a margin of safety.

A retractable roof would add a great deal of weight to the roof and at a minimum require the buttressing of the current walls. (Picture a Gothic cathedral with its buttresses.)

It would be a very expensive effort. And for what? Fresh air at a few September games?

Adding a retractable roof to the current structure is close to a non-starter. Lots of money for not much real benefit.
 
Must be just me, but I can't understand the love for a retractable roof. I guess it's because I don't care if I have a sunroof in my car either.

I am just guessing, but I think that the attraction of a retractable roof has to do with the pleasantness of a beautiful Fall day in CNY. But I also think that those calling for this weren't around to enjoy the weather in Archbold.

I can't tell you how many times the game started off in sunshine. But off in the distance over the valley south of Syracuse rain clouds floated around. Sooner or later one or more of these would pass over Archbold giving everyone a nice wetting down. Then the wind would pick up a bit and cool things down.

If they ever add a retractable roof or build a stadium with one, it better be one that closes in a hurry. I've been in Houston when they closed the roof. It takes a while. Long enough for one of those rain clouds to get everyone good and wet.

I love the Dome because I have experienced days in Archbold where my butt cheeks were pretty much frozen solid.
 
I'm not an architect or an engineer, but I have some familiarity with design and construction.

The Dome was designed with a fabric roof. The walls were designed to bear that weight plus a margin of safety.

A retractable roof would add a great deal of weight to the roof and at a minimum require the buttressing of the current walls. (Picture a Gothic cathedral with its buttresses.)

It would be a very expensive effort. And for what? Fresh air at a few September games?

Adding a retractable roof to the current structure is close to a non-starter. Lots of money for not much real benefit.

Yes, the current structure cannot support a hard shell. The assumption is that they are going to retrofit the entire stadium to support a hard roof, which would cost $150M? (don't have specific figures) In that context, including support for a retractable roof only adds about $20-40M to the overall cost. This has been discussed in other threads by those more knowledgeable on the engineering aspects.

To those who don't see the big deal of a retractable roof -- it's not primarily about the fan experience in that case. Yes, it can't hurt to have fresh air for a beautiful fall October game, but it's more about having something to offer to 4-star recruits that separates SU from other Power 5 schools. Sometimes practicality shouldn't be the biggest consideration. The cool "wow" factor can change perceptions in a hurry.
 
FrancoPizza said:
If it's not retractable we're missing out on a chance to be unique - which is a huge selling point. $25M is chump change in the grand scheme of things. The leaf rakers can't complain about being stuck indoors. Either that, or we'll have to burn down all non-coniferous trees in a 50 square mile radius.

What does raking leaves have to do with the Dome?
 
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A retractable roof would have to cost atleast 100 million from an engineer friend I asked.
If it was simply 25 million I think SU would do it as they could pay that back that loan to a bank fairly quickly.
I wish we would do a retractable for football games in September thru October, but its unlikely.
 
I'm not an architect or an engineer, but I have some familiarity with design and construction.

The Dome was designed with a fabric roof. The walls were designed to bear that weight plus a margin of safety.

A retractable roof would add a great deal of weight to the roof and at a minimum require the buttressing of the current walls. (Picture a Gothic cathedral with its buttresses.)

It would be a very expensive effort. And for what? Fresh air at a few September games?

Adding a retractable roof to the current structure is close to a non-starter. Lots of money for not much real benefit.

I agree from an engineering and structural standpoint it would be a major undertaking which of course translates into a major expense. I'd add that its the wrong climate to justify that expense as well, which you also touched on. Even if it were a nicer climate there just aren't that many home football games a season to justify it when pretty much every other sport is simply playing with the roof closed.
 
What does raking leaves have to do with the Dome?
Assumption is people rake leaves because they want to be outdoors in the crisp autumn air. If you have a retractable roof, they can't complain that they'll be stuck indoors. Not saying that's going to make them go to the games, but SU can offer free rakes to the first 10,000 fans to make them feel right at home. Instead of shaking keys on third down, we'll stomp our rakes.
 
FrancoPizza said:
Assumption is people rake leaves because they want to be outdoors in the crisp autumn air. If you have a retractable roof, they can't complain that they'll be stuck indoors. Not saying that's going to make them go to the games, but SU can offer free rakes to the first 10,000 fans to make them feel right at home. Instead of shaking keys on third down, we'll stomp our rakes.

So you hold the belief people don't go to football games because they have to rake leafs? How many people have done that? 2?
 
Yes, the current structure cannot support a hard shell. The assumption is that they are going to retrofit the entire stadium to support a hard roof, which would cost $150M? (don't have specific figures) In that context, including support for a retractable roof only adds about $20-40M to the overall cost. This has been discussed in other threads by those more knowledgeable on the engineering aspects.

To those who don't see the big deal of a retractable roof -- it's not primarily about the fan experience in that case. Yes, it can't hurt to have fresh air for a beautiful fall October game, but it's more about having something to offer to 4-star recruits that separates SU from other Power 5 schools. Sometimes practicality shouldn't be the biggest consideration. The cool "wow" factor can change perceptions in a hurry.

This makes no sense to me at all. If it costs even $15M for a retractable roof, wouldn't you get a ton more bang for the buck out of that with a $5M locker room upgrade and a $10M athletics dorm (or similar). I guess I don't see recruits being all that wowed by something like a retractable roof that will be closed for at least 60% of all home FB games and have no positive impact on their playing career or quality of life while at Syracuse.
 
Can we get better lighting in there for basketball?
 
So you hold the belief people don't go to football games because they have to rake leafs? How many people have done that? Answer: 20,000 a game
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Yes, the current structure cannot support a hard shell. The assumption is that they are going to retrofit the entire stadium to support a hard roof, which would cost $150M? (don't have specific figures) In that context, including support for a retractable roof only adds about $20-40M to the overall cost. This has been discussed in other threads by those more knowledgeable on the engineering aspects.

To those who don't see the big deal of a retractable roof -- it's not primarily about the fan experience in that case. Yes, it can't hurt to have fresh air for a beautiful fall October game, but it's more about having something to offer to 4-star recruits that separates SU from other Power 5 schools. Sometimes practicality shouldn't be the biggest consideration. The cool "wow" factor can change perceptions in a hurry.

I'm pretty sure the whole 'we play in a dome that's also on campus' thing separates SU from other Power 5 schools. Technically, the ability to play a few outdoor games each season would make us more like the other Power 5 schools rather than differentiating us.
 
The answer should be right here.

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Personally I still think the best solution would be something along these lines in the inner harbor, which were both built for less than $500M.

Friends Arena, Sweden's national stadium for football, is a retractable roof multi-purpose stadium located next to the lake Råstasjön in Solna, just north of Stockholm City Centre. The main tenants of the stadium are Sweden's national football team and Allsvenskan football club AIK. Both relocated from their previous home at the Råsunda Stadium. The venue has a total capacity of 65,000 at concerts and 50,000 seated at football matches, but the stadium can be scaled down to accomplish a more intimate setting to host smaller events with a capacity of approximately 20,000 guests. Friends Arena is the biggest football stadium, and indoor venue, in the Nordic countries.

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Stade Pierre-Mauroy has two floors or main levels. The full stadium level or Grand Stade reaches a height of 31 m (101 feet) and has a total capacity of 50,186 seats including 4,965 business seats, 1,842 luxury-box seats, 448 protocol seats and 326 reserved for the press.

The stadium has also a particularity: half of the Grand Stade field is situated on hydraulics lift and massive tracks that raise and slide it above the other half of the field in three hours. This exposes a second lower level floor plan and surrounding seats called Boîte à Spectacles, where basketball, tennis or music shows can take place. The Boîte à Spectacles can be configured to have a variable capacity, from 6,900 to 30,000 seats. In November 2014, it hosted the 2014 Davis Cup finals between France and Switzerland, where an attendance record was broken for the highest ever officially-sanctioned competition tennis match.

In addition, Stade Pierre-Mauroy has a retractable roof which opens and shuts in 15 minutes. The stadium is also recognized as a HQE Building with its solar panels and two windmills to ensure electrical supplying. The stadium will be fully accessible by highway and metro stations, in addition of 7,000 parking lines.

It will host the final stage of the FIBA EuroBasket 2015.

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SU would be the major tenant - but what an asset.
 

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If it's not retractable we're missing out on a chance to be unique - which is a huge selling point. $25M is chump change in the grand scheme of things. The leaf rakers can't complain about being stuck indoors. Either that, or we'll have to burn down all non-coniferous trees in a 50 square mile radius.


Colossal waste of money for, what, 2 or 3 games a year? Is that worth an extra $200M in expense?
 
Yes, the current structure cannot support a hard shell. The assumption is that they are going to retrofit the entire stadium to support a hard roof, which would cost $150M? (don't have specific figures) In that context, including support for a retractable roof only adds about $20-40M to the overall cost. This has been discussed in other threads by those more knowledgeable on the engineering aspects.

To those who don't see the big deal of a retractable roof -- it's not primarily about the fan experience in that case. Yes, it can't hurt to have fresh air for a beautiful fall October game, but it's more about having something to offer to 4-star recruits that separates SU from other Power 5 schools. Sometimes practicality shouldn't be the biggest consideration. The cool "wow" factor can change perceptions in a hurry.


Maybe so, but it's just another thing that will eventually break and be very expensive to repair. Remember, they did a retractable roof in Montreal for the 1976 Olympics (might have been completed later, I don't recall). That stadium was later used by the Expos for baseball, and they experienced non-stop problems with the roof (some dangerous), until they moved the franchise to Washington.
 
I am just guessing, but I think that the attraction of a retractable roof has to do with the pleasantness of a beautiful Fall day in CNY. But I also think that those calling for this weren't around to enjoy the weather in Archbold.

I can't tell you how many times the game started off in sunshine. But off in the distance over the valley south of Syracuse rain clouds floated around. Sooner or later one or more of these would pass over Archbold giving everyone a nice wetting down. Then the wind would pick up a bit and cool things down.

If they ever add a retractable roof or build a stadium with one, it better be one that closes in a hurry. I've been in Houston when they closed the roof. It takes a while. Long enough for one of those rain clouds to get everyone good and wet.

I love the Dome because I have experienced days in Archbold where my butt cheeks were pretty much frozen solid.
Yes. I went to a game against WVA --72 I think--it started out sunny, by the end of the first quarter it was raining, freezing rain by halftime, and snowing by the fourth quarter. Those were the days!
 
Colossal waste of money for, what, 2 or 3 games a year? Is that worth an extra $200M in expense?
2 or 3 games? If it's more than 1 nice football Saturday that's amazing. Seems like its always raining or cold. And being out in the rain and cold at Archbold sucked for those who never had the pleasure.
 
If the State of NY would help with the cost we should get the most modern stadium we can get. If SU is having to foot the bill dominantly then we can just expect renovations that would modernize and give the Dome a facelift.

I don't know the politics of CNY but I would guess Albany isn't inclined to help a private school in Syracuse with taxpayer money without assurances that the facility would help the general public.
 

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