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Message: [QUOTE="Zelda Zonk, post: 2386951, member: 966"] Firstly, why are You "insulted?" I've never said a word about you. Never called you out as you've done with me. Why is this so personal that you can't have a rationale discussion? As for personal insults, you're the one dishing them out. I'm conceited because i asked legitimate and sincere questions and tried to see the argument from more than just the perspective from within The Orange Bubble? It's ironic that it's only now that you're providing more of an intelligent response — only once 'challenged.' Do I have to take on a "mantel" to want to participate in a better level of discourse? You'd probably prefer more of a pep rally atmosphere here. I'd prefer it to be more like Sons of Sam Horn, where there is a requirement that posters actually contribute substance. "Devil's Adcocate" is a valuable principle. Unfortunate that you don't recognize that. And you continue to ignore the fact that I've consistenly said I DON'T believe Cal is clean. But you continue to ignore the OP's question, which is what I've been answering. Whatever. That suits your bias, I guess. Re: Bilas... You're also ignoring that WE attend to any words of defense of our program to a far greater degree than outsiders. So my point stands. The rest of the world does not share your closely-held perspective that we are angels and were over-prosecuted. And, in fact, there are the same types of discussions about us as being tamperers and/or payors with regard to Tyus Battle and Bazely. So, whatever. You don't like me. Fine. Push he Ignore button. But if you're going to participate in a conversation, it would be cool to be working toward answering the primary question. If you're still insisting Kentucky has nothing to offer aside from payola, then I'd like to know how that works. Are they paying all of them, or just some? If some, how do they prevent the unpaid from knowing about the paid? Do they pay all the same amount? If a kid just wants to go there simply for all the reasons I've listed which would make them attractive, do they force him to take money, mob style, to ensure their silence? And again, how is the Kentucky situation any different from duke's? I really want to know. Is this so,etching maybe they did for a while, but now don't need to do? If this is all done by boosters, how do we know we don't/haven't done the same thing? You say Kentucky players tweeted they don't go to class. Not sure what that proves. I didn't go to half of some of my classes. I had Derrick Coleman in two of my classes that I did attend pretty regularly and I saw him only twice — day one, and the end of the semester. But, no, that's innocent, right? Because it's Us. Oh. Sorry — I've just "insulted" you again. Nah. It's better to keep it simple. We are awesome. PayPal Cal is scum. LGO! Edit: I got lazy and only read the wiki on calipari — [URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Calipari']John Calipari - Wikipedia[/URL] His wins were vacated on two occasions because Camby took money from an agent to lure him OUT of UMASS. Not sure how that benefited Cal. The NCAA didn't implicate Cal. With rose, the NCAA's position is that Rose did take his SATs, but they were invalidated by the test company because of a 'mailing error.' The NCAA does not implicate Cal. But I get it - the NCAA has bias against SU and love Calipari. If there's more, I really want to know. [/QUOTE]

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