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Message: [QUOTE="Ish88888, post: 2725790, member: 5559"] Do you have a degree in exercise physiology? Kinesiology? I do. Ht and wgt can be totally independent of muscle mass. ED is probably 250 with noticeably more upper body muscle mass than the qbs you mentioned. tua and the others have substantial weight, but not the ripped muscle mass ED has. A loss in flexibility and arm speed is very much a possibility. These other qbs dont have the delts and biceps ED has and they seem more flexible and fluid. ED and the training staff have attempted to add bulk the past several years to sustain hits and his arm fluidity, speed, and aerobic endurance have all taken a hit. We could only dream of some tight ends and lbs with his size. [/QUOTE]