Early Entries

[anomander]

Is it me, or is anybody else shocked by the amount of people that go crazy over our guys that leave early? Everybody makes it seems like it's just Syracuse kids that leave early every year. That couldn't be further from the case. This isn't a Syracuse problem, it's a national problem. What do you think Cal fans are saying about Christrian Behrens, who declared after averaging 4.5ppg and 3rbs? The examples are endless. As of right now there are 14 early entries for this years draft, and that's just the very beginning because last year there were 44 early entries.

Here is the 2015 list so far. Tell me which of these kids are ready to go pro? http://www.cbssports.com/collegebas...arly-entry-list-whos-staying-and-who-is-going Hell, i'd even say McCoullough has the most upside out of all of them, minus Myles Turner.

And then you have the 2014 list. Just glancing over the list i'd say not even 25% of them are currently on NBA rosters. http://www.cbssports.com/collegebas...arly-entry-list-whos-staying-and-who-is-going

This is just the way college basketball is these days. It's also the reason why college basketball is borderline unwatchable, but that's a discussion in it's own way. Again, I just don't get how people seem to think this is just a Syracuse problem when it obviously effects everybody.

 

[orangedave]

Is it me, or is anybody else shocked by the amount of people that go crazy over our guys that leave early? Everybody makes it seems like it's just Syracuse kids that leave early every year. That couldn't be further from the case. This isn't a Syracuse problem, it's a national problem. What do you think Cal fans are saying about Christrian Behrens, who declared after averaging 4.5ppg and 3rbs? The examples are endless. As of right now there are 14 early entries for this years draft, and that's just the very beginning because last year there were 44 early entries.

Here is the 2015 list so far. Tell me which of these kids are ready to go pro? http://www.cbssports.com/collegebas...arly-entry-list-whos-staying-and-who-is-going Hell, i'd even say McCoullough has the most upside out of all of them, minus Myles Turner.

And then you have the 2014 list. Just glancing over the list i'd say not even 25% of them are currently on NBA rosters. http://www.cbssports.com/collegebas...arly-entry-list-whos-staying-and-who-is-going

This is just the way college basketball is these days. It's also the reason why college basketball is borderline unwatchable, but that's a discussion in it's own way. Again, I just don't get how people seem to think this is just a Syracuse problem when it obviously effects everybody.

Thank you so much. I've been thinking about posting the same thoughts and just haven't gotten around to. You also added some specific data that I wouldn't have thought of.

 

[jgeorge322]

Cant fix stupid.

 

[EastCoast2]

Let them jump from high school.

 

[pfister1]

Is it me, or is anybody else shocked by the amount of people that go crazy over our guys that leave early? Everybody makes it seems like it's just Syracuse kids that leave early every year. That couldn't be further from the case. This isn't a Syracuse problem, it's a national problem. What do you think Cal fans are saying about Christrian Behrens, who declared after averaging 4.5ppg and 3rbs? The examples are endless. As of right now there are 14 early entries for this years draft, and that's just the very beginning because last year there were 44 early entries.

Here is the 2015 list so far. Tell me which of these kids are ready to go pro? http://www.cbssports.com/collegebas...arly-entry-list-whos-staying-and-who-is-going Hell, i'd even say McCoullough has the most upside out of all of them, minus Myles Turner.

And then you have the 2014 list. Just glancing over the list i'd say not even 25% of them are currently on NBA rosters. http://www.cbssports.com/collegebas...arly-entry-list-whos-staying-and-who-is-going

This is just the way college basketball is these days. It's also the reason why college basketball is borderline unwatchable, but that's a discussion in it's own way. Again, I just don't get how people seem to think this is just a Syracuse problem when it obviously effects everybody.

It is a college wide problem, no question. In my view the only way to fix it, is one that isn't going to be acceptable to most people. I think that the fix doesn't involve funneling money to the players that prefer to play for pay, an alternative needs to be created for these players. I would like to see (i) Colleges return to a model where they are only taking student athletes that are attending to get a degree, not athletes attending because that is the best path to a professional career and (ii) the NBA creates a real alternative for kids that want to play professional basketball and have no interest in going to school. Putting aside the actual draft structure the model works really well in baseball. If you want to play professionally you either get drafted out of high school or you go to a free agent tryout and get signed. If you want a college degree you pursue a college degree and you have the opportunity to play baseball while doing so.

That doesn't mean that kids that attend college can't ever play professionally, there are plenty of examples of guys that get a degree and go on to play in the pros; Rak is our latest example. I just don't understand how the kid like CMac who only intends to come to school for one year has any business attending college to get to the pros, other than that is where he is being forced under today's model. You can't convince me that going to school and getting 15-30 random college credits is a positive for the guys doing it?

 

[Noexcuse]

I don't think people here feel it's just a Syracuse problem. People are disappointed to see our guys leave because for the most part we really don't recruit one and done types of players. Nobody really expected Ennis or Grant to leave last year after a disappointing end to the season and nobody really expected an injured CMac to leave after another disappointing season this year. Fans want continuity, to see players develop and to look forward to next year when everybody is coming back and the team can make a run towards a national championship. It is what it is, but you can't deny is disappointing and that's really what you are hearing imo.

 

[Dcuse]

This is a great thread with a lot of thoughts I think we're all having. The thinking that compensating players in school obviously comes up a lot. I honestly don't feel that any compensation plan that the NCAA or any new governing body would come up with would much deter a player with "potential" ( a word I've come to hate) from leaving early. My long winded way of saying that I have no answers for this downfall of quality hoops at both levels.

 

[Oakland]

I think it is the comparisons to other teams. Just a few examples, Grant spin moving into charges and falling on the floor twice a game while helping his team to a second round NCAA loss goes pro, while only one of Kentucky's 7 or 8 Micky Dees goes pro after they play in the title game. Trey Burke comes back to Mich, Ennis leaves. Playing like a lottery Pick, Brandon Ashley gets hurt and comes back to Arizona, while Chris M, playing like a struggling 3* recruit gets hurt and declares. It does seem like SU guys jump more often when they see a chance, which frustrates some posters.

Is it me, or is anybody else shocked by the amount of people that go crazy over our guys that leave early? Everybody makes it seems like it's just Syracuse kids that leave early every year. That couldn't be further from the case. This isn't a Syracuse problem, it's a national problem. What do you think Cal fans are saying about Christrian Behrens, who declared after averaging 4.5ppg and 3rbs? The examples are endless. As of right now there are 14 early entries for this years draft, and that's just the very beginning because last year there were 44 early entries.

Here is the 2015 list so far. Tell me which of these kids are ready to go pro? http://www.cbssports.com/collegebas...arly-entry-list-whos-staying-and-who-is-going Hell, i'd even say McCoullough has the most upside out of all of them, minus Myles Turner.

And then you have the 2014 list. Just glancing over the list i'd say not even 25% of them are currently on NBA rosters. http://www.cbssports.com/collegebas...arly-entry-list-whos-staying-and-who-is-going

This is just the way college basketball is these days. It's also the reason why college basketball is borderline unwatchable, but that's a discussion in it's own way. Again, I just don't get how people seem to think this is just a Syracuse problem when it obviously effects everybody.