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Message: [QUOTE="KevMonstah, post: 3508206, member: 327"] why is it so hard to say, "everything went right for SU that year, that's why they went 10-3", and then, "well, not everything went right, so SU didn't win ten games"? they had a great year, had 30+ sacks, and forced 30+ TOs. you'll win a lot that way, that's what VaTech did for a long time. they were just able to repeat it, which SU has not (yet). and with P ... he got to ten wins with Mac's guys, a good starting point. then, with probably the best overall talent/teams SU has had in decades, he didn't win ten games again, even against a diluted Big East. the fact he couldn't with mcnabb is almost criminal. SU is just not a ten win program; they might be an 8-5 program, then hope for some things to go their way. among those things I'd hope is not to be one of the most penalized teams in college football. that would be a start. kev [/QUOTE]