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Message: [QUOTE="reedny, post: 1749430, member: 1423"] You're missing the point. In all these cases (and probably others), our staff was able to pick out talent that many services ranked below (in some cases way below) a 5 star level. That was the point I was referring to. Yes some players achieved higher final ratings, but none of them achieved a 5 star, elite-type ranking -- at least on Scout and Rivals (that I've used as a reference for years). Dion's a prime example. Scout and Rivals had him as a 4-star. That's not bad ... in fact he climbed up eventually to the top 30 (barely). But that still proves my point --- his final listing was somewhere around 29 - 35 coming out of high school ... and yet he was top 5 in the NBA draft. I've never seen him rated at #15, so not sure where you (or ESPN) came up with that. So it seems pretty obvious that, overall, the services underrated him ... since they never even listed him as a 5 star (top 25) player. Look for yourself: [B]Waiters[/B] went to our elite camps several times and was a 4 star .. although he climbed up to top 30 later (still a 4 star): [URL='https://n.. . . . . . . . . . /prospect_rankings/rivals150/2010']https://n./prospect_rankings/rivals150/2010[/URL] [B]Grant[/B] was an afterthought ... [B]he was ranked in the 60's [/B]and he's in the NBA: [URL='https://n.. . . . . . . . . . /prospect_rankings/rivals150/2012']https://n./prospect_rankings/rivals150/2012[/URL] [B]MCW[/B], again, was not highly rated initially. We were in on him before the cavalry. But he wound up about 35 and never made it to a 5 star: [URL='https://n.. . . . . . . . . . /prospect_rankings/rivals150/2011']https://n./rivals150/2011[/URL] [URL]http://www.At their request, this network is being blocked from this site./college/syracuse/2011-basketball-prospects[/URL] [B]Lydon[/B] ... same thing. He was deep into the to 100 like Grant. A mid-level 4 star that the staff cherry-picked. Now he's been looked at by NBA scouts: [URL='https://n.. . . . . . . . . . /prospect_rankings/rivals150/2015']https://n./prospect_rankings/rivals150/2015[/URL] [/QUOTE]

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