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Message: [QUOTE="Sgt Cuse, post: 2416912, member: 1701"] Just to be clear, I think '12 should be in the discussion. 34-3 is outrageously good and two of those losses came without Fab. One additional thing to like about the 80s era is you knew right from the start that SU had a good team. Because several very good players were carried over. One slight disadvantage for the 80s was the in-game coaching. While I can't say exactly the reason, I just feel JB now is a much better coach. And the results of close games in the last 15-20 years would bear this out. I don't know the rules of these hypotheticals if you get to swap out the coach. [/QUOTE]