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Message: [QUOTE="Knicks411, post: 3400972, member: 767"] And you can add one to the all NBA, and probably to the top ten MVP as well whenever this season is over. Dumars vs Lillard is an interesting type debate. Dumars once was second team all NBA, twice third. 4 times on first team all defense. But his best finish in MVP was 10th; it's clear he was never considered one of the better players in the league. And it's just as clear Lillard has been. (Certainly never one of the true elites, but a top 7-10 type guy) It's not like Dumars is just a compiler, he did play a key role for 2 title winning teams, and they did make the conf finals or better 5 years in a row. In general, I would tend to defer to the guy with the higher peaks, but I do think at this point, you could reasonably argue Dumars has had a better career than Lillard. For now [/QUOTE]