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Message: [QUOTE="Zelda Zonk, post: 4118181, member: 966"] I don't watch NASCAR, so i'm not sure. The thing with F1, though, is it is rare to give up track position without data that indicates you'll have time to recover it and then—the important and difficult part in F1—to execute an overtake. Basically, in this situation, Verstappen would have been told to do the opposite of what Hamilton did. Because of the ambiguities in the rules, and the fact that the stewards have some leeway in making calls, there was also no way to know that the race would even have continued. If this were any other race (not deciding a championship), it probably would have finished under caution/Safety Car. The race director also decided to let Max pass all the backmarkers, when that decision was also either decided in the opposite way, or was undecided. Christian Horner lobbied to have Max pass everyone else and assume position 2. Essentially, the race director allowed himself to be cajoled into even [I]having[/I] a last lap, and then into making the last lap all about some contrived 'television moment,' and gave Red Bull the "miracle" everyone was saying they needed. Red Bull's strategy at multiple decision points during the last third of the race was based on "they have nothing to lose," which is also what everyone was saying. That's not winning on merit. I don't blame Verstappen. I don't even blame Red Bull, although i think Christian Horner is as smug as smug can be, and per the cab driver in Seinfeld, "Smugness is [I]not[/I] a good quality." But, he, too, had nothing to lose, made a more compelling and immediate argument than Toto Wolff who was 'gobsmacked' and inarticulate when talking to Race Control—because he simply couldn't believe what was happening. The perfect race by Hamilton/Mercedes was stolen away from them. They couldn't have done anything better. Yeah, Drive to Survive is excellent. I've watched 99.5% of the races since 2015, but i always tended to pay attention only to my team/drivers, and what was happening at the front of the leaderboard and/race. But, DtS made all the other drivers more interesting and exposed a lot of the 'backstory,' so the entire sport is even more interesting to me now. No offense, but i don't understand how people can watch NASCAR. On one hand, yes, F1 has a problem with passing, but it is just such a beautiful sport. The cars are stunning and the height of industry tech. The drivers are international in flavor. The locations are international and glam. By contrast, i mean—it's Billy Bob in Talladega with a Chevy Lumina with a detergent logo on the hood. Ick! I keep telling this story, as well—i think it may have been my first or second year being transfixed by racing (at that time, it was F1 and CART, which was really good until my guy died on track—Greg Moore)... And i was watching an F1 race intro, but clicked over to a Nascar even during a commercial. The F1 channel was showing a tech demo, about Computational Fluid Dynamics. When i clicked to the Nascar race, the first thing out of the hick commentator's mouth was: "now folks, that's whatcha call a 'oxy-moron.' Now, that ain't what it sounds like... it's just two words put together that probably shouldn't be." And that was the last time i watched NASCAR. [/QUOTE]

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