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I've heard or read several comments that Tyler Ennis just doesn't like to fast break like his predecessors at point guard for SU. Today on the radio someone what contrasting that to Michael Carter-Williams who loved to "push it down the court", etc.
I don't disagree that Tyler has seemed reluctant to try to beat the defense down the court this year, (he's trying to do it more in the last couple of games). But I also recall that we didn't have a lot of fast breaks last year, primarily because our guards, who were big, were helping us hit the boards because we weren't getting enough rebounding up front. It's hard to go toward the basket to rebound and then beat the other team down court when you get the ball. I was hopeful this year that with the development of DaJuan Coleman and a legitimate power forward in Jermai Grant, that the guards could release down court and we'd have a lot more fast breaks.
That hasn't happened, partially because of the injuries to our big men but mostly because of Ennis' reluctance to do anything that might be "out of control". But I still questioned that we were fast breaking any less than we did last year, when it often seemed absent from our offense.
The SU Athletic site has the fast break points for each game this year and last on it's website, (got to the schedule and look at each box score), but not, unfortunately for any prior years. (I'd love to look at 2011-12 and 2009-10 and, obviously the Sherman Douglas years). Here are the game by game numbers for these last two years, some totals and averages and a brief commentary:
2013-14
Cornell 21-4
Fordham 10-8
Colgate 10-0
St. Francis 9-3
Minnesota 11-8
California 11-12
Baylor 10-3
Indiana 7-4
Binghamton 9-6
St. John’s 2-12
High Point 14-5
Villanova 8-8
E. Michigan 15-6
Miami 3-0
Virginia Tech 2-3
North Carolina 3-10
Boston College 0-0 (Did they forget to record it?)
Pittsburgh 3-4
Miami 3-4
Wake Forest 11-5
Duke 8-4
Notre Dame 7-4
Clemson 7-4
Pittsburgh 2-2
NC State 8-6
Boston College 10-4 LOSS
Duke 3-9 LOSS
Maryland 2-2
Virginia 0-4 LOSS
Georgia Tech 6-10 LOSS
Florida State 6-2 (only 6?)
TOTAL 221-156
AVERAGE 7-5
Pre-Conference: 137-79 (11-6)
Conference: 84-77 (5-4)
Wins 202-129 (7-5)
Losses 19-27 (5-7)
Comment: I had hopes before the season that we were going into a conference that, unlike the Big East, likes to get out and run. Duke did and the result was great basketball. The rest of it was the battle of the snails. The losses are a small sample and we did have more fast break points in the wins but the difference seems small. I still can’t believe there were only 6 fast break points vs. Florida State.
2012-13
San Diego St. 12-4
Wagner 18-6
Princeton 12-0
Colgate 16-4
Arkansas 10-16
E Michigan 28-10
L Beach State 20-10
Monmouth 20-10
Canisius 14-10
Detroit 14-8
Temple 8-12 LOSS
Alcorn St. 10-8
C. Connecticut 12-14
Rutgers 16-6
S. Florida 8-4
Providence 17-12
Villanova 6-8
Louisville 2-6
Cincinnati 10-2
Villanova 2-6 LOSS
Pittsburgh 5-10 LOSS
Notre Dame 10-6
St. John’s 8-10
Connecticut 4-4 LOSS
Seton Hall 6-2
Providence 20-14
Georgetown 10-6 LOSS
Marquette 16-8 LOSS
Louisville 8-6 LOSS
DePaul 12-10
Georgetown 6-6 LOSS
Seton Hall 4-4
Pittsburgh 8-2
Georgetown 4-2
Louisville 2-6 LOSS
Montana 6-2
California 0-0 (or not listed for some reason)
Indiana 4-6
Marquettte 8-0
Michigan 2-4 LOSS
TOTAL 398-264
AVERAGE 10-7
Pre-Conference: 194-112 (15-9)
Conference: 166-126 (9-7)
BET: 18-14 (4.5-3.5)
NCAA: 20-12 (4-2)
Wins 335-196 (11-7)
Losses 63-68 (6-7)
Comment: Last year’s team did run noticeably more, although they weren’t exactly showtime. With a better sample of losses, there is a difference in the fast break points in wins than losses (11-7)/ Once, again, conference play slowed us down. Better teams and teams that know better how to play against us.
I don't disagree that Tyler has seemed reluctant to try to beat the defense down the court this year, (he's trying to do it more in the last couple of games). But I also recall that we didn't have a lot of fast breaks last year, primarily because our guards, who were big, were helping us hit the boards because we weren't getting enough rebounding up front. It's hard to go toward the basket to rebound and then beat the other team down court when you get the ball. I was hopeful this year that with the development of DaJuan Coleman and a legitimate power forward in Jermai Grant, that the guards could release down court and we'd have a lot more fast breaks.
That hasn't happened, partially because of the injuries to our big men but mostly because of Ennis' reluctance to do anything that might be "out of control". But I still questioned that we were fast breaking any less than we did last year, when it often seemed absent from our offense.
The SU Athletic site has the fast break points for each game this year and last on it's website, (got to the schedule and look at each box score), but not, unfortunately for any prior years. (I'd love to look at 2011-12 and 2009-10 and, obviously the Sherman Douglas years). Here are the game by game numbers for these last two years, some totals and averages and a brief commentary:
2013-14
Cornell 21-4
Fordham 10-8
Colgate 10-0
St. Francis 9-3
Minnesota 11-8
California 11-12
Baylor 10-3
Indiana 7-4
Binghamton 9-6
St. John’s 2-12
High Point 14-5
Villanova 8-8
E. Michigan 15-6
Miami 3-0
Virginia Tech 2-3
North Carolina 3-10
Boston College 0-0 (Did they forget to record it?)
Pittsburgh 3-4
Miami 3-4
Wake Forest 11-5
Duke 8-4
Notre Dame 7-4
Clemson 7-4
Pittsburgh 2-2
NC State 8-6
Boston College 10-4 LOSS
Duke 3-9 LOSS
Maryland 2-2
Virginia 0-4 LOSS
Georgia Tech 6-10 LOSS
Florida State 6-2 (only 6?)
TOTAL 221-156
AVERAGE 7-5
Pre-Conference: 137-79 (11-6)
Conference: 84-77 (5-4)
Wins 202-129 (7-5)
Losses 19-27 (5-7)
Comment: I had hopes before the season that we were going into a conference that, unlike the Big East, likes to get out and run. Duke did and the result was great basketball. The rest of it was the battle of the snails. The losses are a small sample and we did have more fast break points in the wins but the difference seems small. I still can’t believe there were only 6 fast break points vs. Florida State.
2012-13
San Diego St. 12-4
Wagner 18-6
Princeton 12-0
Colgate 16-4
Arkansas 10-16
E Michigan 28-10
L Beach State 20-10
Monmouth 20-10
Canisius 14-10
Detroit 14-8
Temple 8-12 LOSS
Alcorn St. 10-8
C. Connecticut 12-14
Rutgers 16-6
S. Florida 8-4
Providence 17-12
Villanova 6-8
Louisville 2-6
Cincinnati 10-2
Villanova 2-6 LOSS
Pittsburgh 5-10 LOSS
Notre Dame 10-6
St. John’s 8-10
Connecticut 4-4 LOSS
Seton Hall 6-2
Providence 20-14
Georgetown 10-6 LOSS
Marquette 16-8 LOSS
Louisville 8-6 LOSS
DePaul 12-10
Georgetown 6-6 LOSS
Seton Hall 4-4
Pittsburgh 8-2
Georgetown 4-2
Louisville 2-6 LOSS
Montana 6-2
California 0-0 (or not listed for some reason)
Indiana 4-6
Marquettte 8-0
Michigan 2-4 LOSS
TOTAL 398-264
AVERAGE 10-7
Pre-Conference: 194-112 (15-9)
Conference: 166-126 (9-7)
BET: 18-14 (4.5-3.5)
NCAA: 20-12 (4-2)
Wins 335-196 (11-7)
Losses 63-68 (6-7)
Comment: Last year’s team did run noticeably more, although they weren’t exactly showtime. With a better sample of losses, there is a difference in the fast break points in wins than losses (11-7)/ Once, again, conference play slowed us down. Better teams and teams that know better how to play against us.
