Fast pace yielding more yards, points for Syracuse football offense

[Orangeyes]

Fast pace yielding more yards, points for Syracuse football offense

 

[SoBristol]

Certainly true that Nassib is better prepared to execute a faster tempo and, last season, we didn't have depth at RB or WR (and were limited after Gulley was hurt, and young WRs were hurt or not ready).

But are the coaches going overboard in claiming that fast tempo, the use of the shotgun formation with no FB, the more wide-open passing attack was always the preferred scheme? They didn't take a look around and re-tool to juice the offense?

 

[Jeepers]

Yeah. I'm curious what happens when we're actually leading in a game.

 

[upperdeck]

you just run up to the line to keep the D honest and then hand the ball off to Smith for 2 yds as the clock runs down.

im hoping we see it 11 more times this year.

 

[CuseCrew08]

Yeah. I'm curious what happens when we're actually leading in a game.

This, so far we've been playing from behind and throwing the ball all over the field. I fear if we get a 10 point lead we will start trying to rely on the run too much instead of what has been successful so far; which is throwing the ball to set up the run.

I want to get a lead on teams and go for the kill and try to blow them out/ break their will.

 

[GoSU96]

Certainly true that Nassib is better prepared to execute a faster tempo and, last season, we didn't have depth at RB or WR (and were limited after Gulley was hurt, and young WRs were hurt or not ready).

But are the coaches going overboard in claiming that fast tempo, the use of the shotgun formation with no FB, the more wide-open passing attack was always the preferred scheme? They didn't take a look around and re-tool to juice the offense?

That's not what they are saying.

The overall offense is the same. It has the same plays they have run in the past and have been in the playbook. The difference is that they are running less of some and more of others because of the personnel that is on THIS team THIS year. And obviously they are going no huddle gun exclusively, and going faster. That stuff was always in the offense.

Marrone said when he got here he wanted to play uptempo. Now he has the guys to do it.

A staff will always be tweaking the offense, add some play series and eliminating others, but the basic system has not changed.

 

[SoBristol]

It might be semantics, but how is it the same "basic system"?

In one offense (SU last season), you use an I formation (or "pro set") with a FB as your base offense, often use two tight ends, put the QB under center, start with runs off-guard, huddle between plays, the QB rarely is a runner, and you see a lot of rollout passes to the FB and TEs.

In another offense (what many teams do across the country as a "spread"), your base offense has the QB in a shotgun, lined up with a single RB, often go without a huddle, usually the QB is a threat to run, and you throw a lot to 3 WRs.

It can be part of the "basic system" if you like (all in the same large playbook), but it is a different offensive scheme. And, yes, you might use one scheme rather than another based on your talent. It just seems odd to insist it is the same "system" rather than a very different approach, retooled this year, to juice an offense. The staff ought to take credit for the change, and not pretend it is the same-old, same old.

 

[rrlbees]

Marrone said when he got here he wanted to play uptempo. Now he has the guys to do it.

Curious. Who are these "guys" we finally have?

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[SoBristol]

Curious. Who are these "guys" we finally have?

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Good point -- for the most part, he is using Nassib, Sales, and a combo of RBs and WRs who were in the stable last year (until injuries intruded) -- Wales, West, Smith & Gulley.
There is a tad more depth at some spots, but the main change seems to be in coaching.

 

[GoSU96]

It might be semantics, but how is it the same "basic system"?

In one offense (SU last season), you use an I formation (or "pro set") with a FB as your base offense, often use two tight ends, put the QB under center, start with runs off-guard, huddle between plays, the QB rarely is a runner, and you see a lot of rollout passes to the FB and TEs.

In another offense (what many teams do across the country as a "spread"), your base offense has the QB in a shotgun, lined up with a single RB, often go without a huddle, usually the QB is a threat to run, and you throw a lot to 3 WRs.

It can be part of the "basic system" if you like (all in the same large playbook), but it is a different offensive scheme. And, yes, you might use one scheme rather than another based on your talent. It just seems odd to insist it is the same "system" rather than a very different approach, retooled this year, to juice an offense. The staff ought to take credit for the change, and not pretend it is the same-old, same old.

You're argument isn't with me, Marrone, Hackett, and Nassib are all the ones saying it.

 

[GoSU96]

Curious. Who are these "guys" we finally have?

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Guys, as in numbers, kids who are healthy enough and performing well enough to rotate in and out.

Guys, as in depth at QB that you can trust in case Nassib gets hurt.

 

[rrlbees]

Guys, as in numbers, kids who are healthy enough and performing well enough to rotate in and out.

Guys, as in depth at QB that you can trust in case Nassib gets hurt.

I think we are using the same numbers as last year at WR. The 1 change is Sales instead if Chew. TE we are the same minus Provo. RB it is Gulley instead of Bailey. The back up QB is still Loeb who is in his 4th year so he isn't new.

While it is a touch of experience related, I think it is a change in philosophy more than anything. We could have done this last year. Unless you think Provo, Bailey and Chew weren't up to a no huddle.

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[SoBristol]

We also had a healthy Lemon at the start last season.

 

[SoBristol]

You're argument isn't with me, Marrone, Hackett, and Nassib are all the ones saying it.

My argument is with people who are buying it as gospel.
Maybe the coaches (and Nassib) are saying we could have done this last season (all the plays and the faster tempo were in "the Plan"), but we elected to use a different, slower paced scheme, with a pro set and a blocking FB. OK -- I like the new schemes better.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

I think we are using the same numbers as last year at WR. The 1 change is Sales instead if Chew. TE we are the same minus Provo. RB it is Gulley instead of Bailey. The back up QB is still Loeb who is in his 4th year so he isn't new.

While it is a touch of experience related, I think it is a change in philosophy more than anything. We could have done this last year. Unless you think Provo, Bailey and Chew weren't up to a no huddle.

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But Sales, unlike Chew, as a chance of staying healthy. And West is improved. And Clark and Kobena have done things. We have more than one WR this season.

 

[rrlbees]

But Sales, unlike Chew, as a chance of staying healthy. And West is improved. And Clark and Kobena have done things. We have more than one WR this season.

The numbers used in a game is the same. With Lemon back, Clark didn't play last week. Kids getting hurt during the season, like Chew don't count because you put in the offense long before the season starts.

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[JeremyCuse]

The numbers used in a game is the same. With Lemon back, Clark didn't play last week. Kids getting hurt during the season, like Chew don't count because you put in the offense long before the season starts.

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Its clear there was a change in the offense, I respect GO but hes wrong that its still the same offense just uptempo, its completely different. As someone else noted we ran a ton of two TE sets last year with them being bunched most of the time. This year for the first time under Marrone I saw us go four wide with four actual WR in the formation, no way we were doin that years 1-3 trust me.

 

[Aweart23]

The numbers used in a game is the same. With Lemon back, Clark didn't play last week. Kids getting hurt during the season, like Chew don't count because you put in the offense long before the season starts.

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Against NW it was Sales, Clark, West and Kobena
Against USC it was Sales, Lemon, West and Kobena

Last year it was mostly Lemon, Chew & Graham with west getting some snaps

In other words you are pretty much correct, they have been running 4 WR's each game this year and four a game last year.

I would go out on a limb (not really) and suggest that the four being used this year bring more to the table than the four last year...That might explain, at least in my mind, the willingness to throw more and go four wide this year..

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

The numbers used in a game is the same. With Lemon back, Clark didn't play last week. Kids getting hurt during the season, like Chew don't count because you put in the offense long before the season starts.

Is it the same, though? Dorian Graham had all of the athleticism in the world, but wasn't all that valuable on offense. Chew couldn't stay healthy. West was a RS-Frosh and was suspended for three games.

I think the offense is a reflection of the coaching staff trusting their quarterback and their wide receivers more this year than any other time under Marrone.

 

[GoSU96]

Its clear there was a change in the offense, I respect GO but hes wrong that its still the same offense just uptempo, its completely different. As someone else noted we ran a ton of two TE sets last year with them being bunched most of the time. This year for the first time under Marrone I saw us go four wide with four actual WR in the formation, no way we were doin that years 1-3 trust me.

Take it up with the Coach, the OC, and the QB.

And they said they are featuring different plays within the system to account for personnel.

 

[rrlbees]

I think part of it was they didn't really trust the defense last year and tried to shorten the game.

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[Orangello]

Hackett just interviewed on the radio, says it's the same plays just better execution. He says one difference is this is the best conditioned team that they've had.