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Message: [QUOTE="elimunelson, post: 4680400, member: 615"] the program commanded respect in 04 still. results were not there but anyone w a brain in college football respected the SU program and P&D. That matters when you are building staffs and guys are asking about programs to learn the trade from. P&D knew the recruiting pipelines as well. They needed some interior decorating as SU football entered the 2000s. unfortunately Gross decided to tear down the house and replace it with a modular house that was a piece of rubbish. To this day the fallout continues. the SU football program is still considered bottom tier and the benfit of the doubt with it is never there. [/QUOTE]