Final 2022 Net Points

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Here are the per 40 minute averages for SU’s 2021-22 men’s basketball team. I’ve limited to player who played at least 100 minutes.

Glossary: m = minutes per game that they were available to play. The rest, per 40 minutes: p = points; r = rebounds; a = assists; s = steals, b = blocks; mfg = missed field goals; mft = missed free throws; to = turnovers; pf = personal fouls; NP: “net points” = (p+r+a+s+b) minus (mfg+mft+to+pf); OE: “offensive efficiency” = p-mfg-mft; FG: “floor game” = NP – OE. TNP: Total Net Points for the season.

Buddy Boeheim 37.9m 20.2p 3.6r 3.2a 1.6s 0.1b = 28.7+ 10.3mfg 0.4mft 1.8to 1.8pf = 14.3-
14.4NP 9.5OE 4.9FG TNP: 433
Jimmy Boeheim 34.6m 15.9p 7.2r 1.8a 1.0s 0.1b = 26.0+ 7.1mfg 1.3mft 1.5to 1.9pf = 11.8-
14.2NP 7.5OE 6.7FG TNP: 404
Cole Swider 34.4m 16.2p 7.9r 1.6a 1.1s 0.4b = 27.2+ 7.2mfg 0.3mft 1.6to 2.7pf = 11.8-
15.4NP 8.7OE 6.7FG TNP: 435
Joe Girard 34.1m 16.2p 3.3r 4.9a 1.9s 0.0b = 26.3+ 7.8mfg 0.4mft 3.3to 1.5pf = 13.0-
13.3NP 8.0OE 5.3FG TNP: 374
Jesse Edwards 27.8m 17.3p 9.3r 1.5a 1.6s 4.0b = 33.7+ 3.0mfg 2.5mft 1.8to 5.4pf = 12.7-
21.0NP 11.8OE 9.2FG TNP: 353
Frank Anselem 14.2m 7.4p 10.9r 1.1a 0.7s 1.5a = 21.6+ 1.6mfg 1.4mft 1.5to 5.7pf = 10.2-
11.4NP 4.4OE 7.0FG TNP: 129
Symir Torrence 13.0m 7.9p 4.8r 9.0a 1.3s 0.2b = 23.2+ 4.6mfg 1.0mft 2.7to 2.1pf = 10.4-
12.8NP 2.3OE 10.5FG TNP: 125
Bourama Sidibe 11.8m 10.2p 9.4r 1.3a 2.4s 2.9b = 25.7+ 2.1mfg 1.3mft 1.6to 8.1pf = 13.1-
12.6NP 6.8OE 5.8FG TNP: 50
Benny Williams 11.5m 6.7p 5.0r 0.7a 1.4s 0.8b = 14.6+ 4.9mfg 1.0mft 2.2to 2.9pf = 11.0-
3.6NP 0.8OE 2.8FG TNP: 32

Historical Comparisons (five possible matches for each):

Buddy Boeheim as a senior
37.9m 20.2p 3.6r 3.2a 1.6s 0.1b = 28.7+ 10.3mfg 0.4mft 1.8to 1.8pf = 14.3-
14.4NP 9.5OE 4.9FG TNP: 433
Gerry McNamara as a senior
35.2m 18.2p 3.1r 6.7a 2.1s 0.1b 30.2+ 10.3mfg, 0.4mft 3.8to 1.5pf 16.0- =
14.2NP 7.5OE 6.7FG TNP: 437
Eric Devendorf as a junior
34.2m 19.9p 3.0r 4.6a 2.0s 0.5b 30.0+ 8.2mfg 1.1mft 4.0to 3.4pf 16.7- =
13.3NP 10.6OE 2.7FG TNP 114
Andy Rautins as a senior
32.5m 14.9p 4.2r 6.0a 2.4s 0.3b 27.8+ 5.8mfg 0.5mft 3.4to 2.7pf 12.4- =
15.4NP 8.6OE 6.8FG TNP: 434
Brandon Triche as a junior
22.5m 16.6p 4.4r 4.6a 1.8s 0.2b = 27.6+ 8.0mfg 0.9mft 2.4to 2.4pf = 13.7- =
13.9NP 7.7OE 6.2FG TNP: 285
Michael Gbinije as a senior
37.9M 18.4P 4.3R 4.6A 2.0S 0.4B = 29.7+ 7.5MFG 1.5MFT 3.0TO 2.8PF = 14.8- =
14.9NP 9.4OE 5.5FG TNP: 532
Comments: Gerry was, like Joe Girard, a shooting guard playing the point so he ahs more assists than Buddy but the other numbers are pretty similar. Devo only played 10 games that year but his NP was this closest match to Buddy. The big difference there was that Eric was our best on the dribble-drive since the Pearl. Buddy got better at it but was no Devo. Rautins was never much on the drive but was an outstanding passer, which Buddy isn’t. Brandon was a good all-round guard without being outstanding at anything. I remember him for being one our physically strongest guards. The guy was built. Mike was a combo small forward and point forward. Again he was an all-round player, not outstanding at any one thing. But his numbers might be the best fit.

Jimmy Boeheim as a senior
34.6m 15.9p 7.2r 1.8a 1.0s 0.1b = 26.0+ 7.1mfg 1.3mft 1.5to 1.9pf = 11.8-
14.2NP 7.5OE 6.7FG TNP: 404
Sean Kerins as a senior
28.3m 15.7p 7.9r 1.4a 1.0s 0.5b 26.5+ 6.4mfg 0.4mft 1.7to 3.0pf 11.5- =
15.0np 8.9oe 6.1fg TNP 340
Kueth Duany as a junior
30.8m 15.9p 6.9r 2.1a 1.9s 0.8b +27.6 7.3mfg 1.3mft 2.5to 3.2pf -14.3 =
13.3NP 7.3OE 6.0FG TNP 369
Josh Pace as a freshman
12.2m 14.2p 6.7r 2.6a 3.0s 0.4b +26.9 6.1mfg 1.5mft 2.3to 3.5pf -13.4 =
13.5NP 6.6OE 6.9FG TNP 181
Demetris Nichols as a junior
33.3m 16.0p 7.0r 1.7a 1.5s 1.1b 27.3+ 7.6mfg 1.0mft 2.2to 3.3pf 14.1- =
13.2NP 7.4OE 5.8FG TNP 388
Kris Joseph as a senior
32.2m 16.6p 5.8r 1.9a 1.7s 0.8b = 26.8+ 7.6mfg 1.3mft 1.8to 2.1pf = 12.8 =
14.0NP 7.7OE 6.3FG TNP: 416
Comments: Kerins is a pretty good match. Duany isn’t far off, either. I described Jimmy early on as “a 6-8 Josh Pace” but the numbers don’t match up as well. D-Nich was a better outside shooter, altho0ugh Jimmy hit a good percent age this year. Joseph seems like a good match offensively but he wasn’t a good rebounder.

Cole Swider as a senior
34.4m 16.2p 7.9r 1.6a 1.1s 0.4b = 27.2+ 7.2mfg 0.3mft 1.6to 2.7pf = 11.8-
15.4NP 8.7OE 6.7FG TNP: 435
Ron Payton as a senior
24.4m 17.5p 8.7r 0.9a 1.2s 0.6b 28.9+ 5.1mfg 2.3mft 2.1to 4.5pf 14.0- =
NP: 14.9 OE: 10.1 FG: 4.8 TNP: 380
Sean Kerins as a senior
28.3m 15.7p 7.9r 1.4a 1.0s 0.5b 26.5+ 6.4mfg 0.4mft 1.7to 3.0pf 11.5- =
15.0np 8.9oe 6.1fg TNP 340
Kris Joseph as a junior
32.4m 17.6p 6.5r 2.7a 1.9s 0.8b 29.5+ 6.8mfg 1.9mft 2.7to 2.3pf 13.7- =
15.8NP 8.9OE 6.9FG TNP 436
C. J. Fair as a junior
34.8m 16.7p 8.0r 0.8a 1.3s 1.2b = 28.0+ 7.0mfg 1.1mft 1.8to 1.8pf = 11.7- =
16.3NP 8.6OE 7.7FG TNP 566
Jerami Grant as a sophomore
31.4m 15.4p 8.6r 1.8a 1.0s 0.7b = 27.5+ 5.4mfg 2.3mft 1.5to 3.0pf = 12.2- =
15.3NP 7.7OE 7.6FG TNP 386
Comments: Kerins fits here, too, statistically, as does Payton. But neither was the outside shooter Swider is. Joseph and Fair could hit from outside but were better at driving to the basket. I don’t recall grant having much of an outside shot when he was here. A catch and shoot guy who is also the team’s leading rebounder is a rare type of player.

Joe Girard as a junior
34.1m 16.2p 3.3r 4.9a 1.9s 0.0b = 26.3+ 7.8mfg 0.4mft 3.3to 1.5pf = 13.0-
13.3NP 8.0OE 5.3FG TNP 374
Michael Lloyd as a junior
31.9m 15.7p 4.0r 6.5a 2.5s 0.1b +28.8 6.7mfg 2.0mft 3.8to 3.0pf -15.5 =
13.3NP 7.0OE 6.3FG TNP 318
Jason Hart as a junior
32.4m 17.2p 3.7r 5.4a 3.8s 0.2b +30.3 9.0mfg 0.9mft 3.9to 3.7pf -17.5 =
12.8NP 7.3OE 5.5FG TNP 338
Gerry McNamara as a junior
35.6m 17.8p 2.6r 5.6a 2.1s 0.1b 28.2+ 9.0mfg 0.5mft 3.3to 2.1pf 14.9- =
13.3NP 8.3OE 5.0FG TNP 400
Brandon Triche as a junior
22.5m 16.6p 4.4r 4.6a 1.8s 0.2b = 27.6+ 8.0mfg 0.9mft 2.4to 2.4pf = 13.7- =
13.9NP 7.7OE 6.2FG TNP: 285
John Gillon as a senior
29.9M 14.1P 2.5R 7.3A 1.9S 0.0B 25.8+ 6.0MFG 0.6MFT 2.8TO 2.0PF 11.4- =
14.4NP 7.5OE 6.9FG TNP 364
Comment: GMAC is the obvious comparison: about the same size and similar skills. Both ‘2’ guards forced into playing the point due to the failures of others. The stats reveal Gerry as the better passer but he shot more. He was a sort of combination of Joe and Buddy being our #1 outside threat and thus the focus of the defense. Lloyd was more like a better Sy Torrance. Hart is better remembered as a defensive player. Triche was bigger and stronger with more all-round but unexceptional skills. Gillon was a smallish gunner capable of streaks and big shots but an indifferent defender. The numbers show him as a much better passer than Joe.

Frank Anselem as a sophomore
14.2m 7.4p 10.9r 1.1a 0.7s 1.5a = 21.6+ 1.6mfg 1.4mft 1.5to 5.7pf = 10.2-
11.4NP 4.4OE 7.0FG TNP 129
JB Reafsnyder as a junior
19.1m 12.1p 9.1r 2.1a 1.3s 1.5b +26.1 5.6mfg 1.1mft 3.1to 5.1pf -14.9 =
11.2NP 5.4OE 5.8FG TNP: 159
Bill Celuck as a junior
17.4m 10.0p 9.1r 1.4a 1.3s 2.9b +24.7 3.4mfg 0.8mft 1.7to 7.6pf -13.5 =
11.2NP 5.8OE 5.4FG TNP 135
Baye Moussa Keita as a freshman
14.6m 6.0p 10.3r 0.5a 1.6s 3.4b 21.8+ 1.9mfg 1.3mft 1.6to 5.9pf 10.7- =
11.1NP 2.8OE 8.3FG TNP 143
Rakeem Christmas as a freshman
11.5m 9.6p 10.2r 0.7a 1.0s 2.8b = 24.3+ 3.0mfg 1.1mft 2.2to 5.9pf = 12.2- =
12.1NP 5.5OE 6.6FG TNP 128
Paschal Chukwu as a junior
27.2m 7.8p 10.0r 0.6a 1.0s 3.6b = 23.0+ 1.5mfg 1.3mft 1.6to 4.6pf = 9.0- =
14.0NP 5.0OE 9.0FG TNP 357
Comments: JB was a better scorer. Celuck I as athletic. Keita might be a better version of Frank. He was clearly a better defender. Christmas had more upside and Paschall was bigger. The last three were better shot-blockers.

Symir Torrence as a junior
13.0m 7.9p 4.8r 9.0a 1.3s 0.2b = 23.2+ 4.6mfg 1.0mft 2.7to 2.1pf = 10.4-
12.8NP 2.3OE 10.5FG TNP: 125
Michael Edwards as a freshman
24.0m 10.5p 1.8r 8.5a 1.5s 0.1b +22.4 5.3mfg 0.4mft 4.1to 3.1pf -12.9 =
9.5NP 4.8OE 4.7FG TNP 238
Lazarus Sims as a senior
35.6m 7.1p 4.1r 8.3a 1.6s 0.1b +21.2 2.9mfg 0.7mft 3.6to 2.2pf -9.4 =
11.8NP 3.5OE 8.3FG TNP 405
Allen Griffin as a senior
36.7m 11.8p 3.6r 7.1a 2.1s 0.2b +24.8 6.2mfg 1.4mft 3.1to 2.3pf -13.0 =
11.8NP 4.2OE 7.6FG TNP 364
James Thues as a sophomore
31.3m 7.2p 3.7r 6.3a 3.6s 0.4b +21.2 3.5mfg 1.0mft 3.1to 2.4pf -10.0 =
11.2NP 2.7OE 8.5FG TNP 314
Frank Howard as a sophomore
15.7M 11.2P 4.1R 9.0A 2.9S 0.4B 27.6+ 6.8MFG 1.5MFT 4.3TO 4.2PF 16.8- =
10.8NP 2.9OE 7.9FG TNP 144
Comments: Not a lot of SU guards short of Pearl Washington and Sherman Douglas have averaged 9.0 assists per 40 minutes. Edwards, scored more, rebounded less and turned it over more. Sims numbers are much closer – and those are from the year we lost to Kentucky in the NCAA final. You don’t need a scoring point guard when you’ve got plenty of scoring from elsewhere. Griffin scored more. Thues was more of a defensive guy but under-rated in other aspects. Howard also scored more and tended to stay outside.

Bourama Sidibe 11.8m 10.2p 9.4r 1.3a 2.4s 2.9b = 25.7+ 2.1mfg 1.3mft 1.6to 8.1pf = 13.1-
12.6NP 6.8OE 5.8FG TNP: 50
Rony Seikaly as a freshman
25.0m 12.9p 10.2r 0.7a 0.6s 3.0b 27.4+ 4.2mfg 2.4mft 2.6to 6.2pf 15.4- =
12.0NP 6.3OE 5.7FG TNP 233
Bill Celuck as a junior
17.4m 10.0p 9.1r 1.4a 1.3s 2.9b +24.7 3.4mfg 0.8mft 1.7to 7.6pf -13.5 =
11.2NP 5.8OE 5.4FG TNP 135
Darryl Watkins as a junior
29.8m 9.6p 9.7r 0.9a 1.7s 3.8b 25.7+ 3.5mfg 1.6mft 2.5to 4.2pf 11.8- =
13.9NP 4.5OE 9.4FG TNP 363
Rakeem Christmas as a sophomore
20.8m 9.8p 8.8r 0.4a 1.0s 3.5b = 23.5+ 3.7mfg 1.1mft 1.7to 4.8pf = 11.3- =
12.2NP 5.0OE 7.2FG TNP 255
Baye Moussa Keita as a junior
16.8m 8.9p 8.9r 0.4a 1.3s 2.7b = 22.2+ 2.0mfg 1.5mft 1.3to 5.7pf = 10.5- =
11.7NP 5.4OE 6.3FG TNP 194
Comments: Seikaly scored more and Keita less. Bourama committed a lot of fouls, probably because his knees made it hard to keep up defensively. I don’t think of Billy when I think of Bourama but they were a pretty close statical match.

Benny Williams as a freshman
11.5m 6.7p 5.0r 0.7a 1.4s 0.8b = 14.6+ 4.9mfg 1.0mft 2.2to 2.9pf = 11.0-
3.6NP 0.8OE 2.8FG TNP 32
Ron Payton as a junior
12.2m 13.1p 7.7r 2.1a 1.0s 0.9b 24.8+ 4.6mfg 2.5mft 4.0to 6.1pf 6.1- =
NP: 7.6 OE: 6.0 FG: 1.6 TNP: 50
Rodney Walker as a freshman
12.6m 10.5p 9.9r 0.6a 0.9s 0.4b 22.3+ 4.9mfg 1.5mft 1.7to 7.1pf 15.2- =
7.1NP 4.1OE 3.0FG TNP 63
Demetris Nichols as freshmen
14.2m 9.9p 5.3r 1.4a 1.4s 1.5b 19.5+ 7.2mfg 0.9mft 1.4to 4.3pf 13.8- =
5.7NP 1.8OE 3.9FG TNP 61
Louie McCroskey as a freshman
12.7m 11.1p 6.2r 2.7a 2.1s 0.4b 22.5+ 8.2mfg 1.1mft 2.8to 3.9pf 16.0- =
6.5NP 2.9OE 3.6FG TNP 64
Tyler Roberson as a freshman
8.1m 10.6p 9.4r 1.2a 1.0s 1.0b = 23.2+ 8.1mfg 1.7mft 1.7to 4.2pf = 15.7- =
7.5NP 0.8OE 6.7FG TNP 30
Comments: Every one of these players was a better player than Benny Williams has been this year. They all scored and rebounded more. All but Walker were better passers. I’ll credit Benny with avoiding fouls but that might be because he wasn’t trying to do much. I have never seen a greater gap between expectations and production. If Benny becomes a star, or even a productive player, it will be the greatest improvement in SU history.

 

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The SU Media Guide lists 100 players who have lettered in all four years they played on the SU basketball team. 71 of them played their entire career since 1980-81 the first season for which the Media Guide has complete numbers. (Freshman were eligible in the early years- apparently through the teens, during the wars and from 1972-73 onward.) Eleven of those were walk-ons, (at least originally), so I dropped them from the listing.

I decided to chart the improvement of those 60 players, in terms of “net points” per forty minutes, (NP is points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks minus missed field goals and free throws, turnovers and fouls), from their freshman to their sophomore years and then look at the top ten greatest improvements from the freshman season to the senior season in greater detail, (breaking down each component stat per 40 minutes). If a player played less than 100 minutes that year, the net points are in parenthesis. The next change from freshman season to senior is shown at the end, (unless they played less than 100 minutes as a freshman).

Rafael Addison 13.8, 18.2, 17.7, 20.1 = +6.3
Wendell Alexis 14.7, 12.9, 16.2, 20.3 = +5.6
Adrian Autry 8.4, 8.7, 14.6, 16.8 = +8.4
Buddy Boeheim 9.9, 10.0, 13.5, 14.4 = +4.5
Derek Brower (9.2), 8.1, 9.0, 8.4
Damone Brown (9.8), 14.1, 15.9, 20.0
Todd Burgan 10.9, 13.1, 13.9, 16.2 = + 5.3
Billy Celuck (21.8), (10.1), 11.2, 4.5
Rakeem Christmas 12.1, 12.2, 13.8, 21.6 = +9.5
DaJuan Coleman 12.3, 14.5, 12.6, 13.3 = +1.0
Derrick Coleman 19.5, 27.3, 28.5, 26.7 = +7.2
Trevor Cooney 5.9, 11.5, 9.2, 9.5 = +3.6
Eric Devendorf 11.1, 12.4, 13.3, 11.0 = -0.1
(I used his medical redshirt year when he played 10 games)
Marek Dolezaj 10.3, 9.9, 14.3, 13.9 = +3.6
Sherman Douglas 20.7, 21.1, 19.1, 20.3 = -0.4
Kueth Duany 10.5, 9.8, 13.3, 12.6 =+2.1
Michael Edwards 9.5, 6.5, 6.4, 3.2 = - 6.3
C.J. Fair 15.5, 14.8, 16.3, 12.7 = -2.8
Craig Forth 10.7, 8.2, 14.5, 14.4 = +3.7
Matt Gorman (0.1), (4.8), 9.6, 9.5
Allen Griffin 5.8, 8.0, 10.7, 11.8 = +6.0
Herman Harried -0.3, 7.7, 10.7, 11.8 = +12.1
Jason Hart 10.6, 8.9, 12.8, 12.7 = +2.1
Otis Hill 13.1, 10.6, 16.8, 17.8 = +4.7
Mike Hopkins 10.8, 4.8, 8.4, 10.4 = -0.4
Frank Howard 5.4, 10.8, 9.8, 8.1 = +2.7
Luke Jackson 6.1, 8.4, 11.7, 12.8 = +6.7
Rick Jackson 14.7, 19.2, 20.3, 22.1 = +7.2
Marius Janulis (2.7), 8.3, 9.8, 8.7
Scoop Jardine 9.0, 16.5, 13.0, 12.6 = +3.6
Kris Joseph 8.6, 16.6, 15.8, 14.0 = +5.4
Dave Johnson 6.7, 7.8, 18.3, 14.1 = +7.4
Baye Moussa Keita 11.1, 10.5, 11.7, 8.1 = -3.0
Scott McCorkle 14.1, 7.1, 12.5, 13.2 = -0.9
Gerry McNamara 12.9, 13.6, 13.3, 14.2 = +1.3
Jeremy McNeil 8.0, 12.0, 11.8, 11.0 = +3.0
Conrad McRae 10.6, 14.9, 14.0, 19.1 = +8.5
Greg Monroe 8.6, 7.6, 14.0, 14.5 = +5.9
Lawrence Moten 18.7, 17.4, 19.6, 16.6 = -2.1
Demetris Nichols 5.7, 7.8, 13.2, 17.9 = +12.2
Arinze Onukau 13.5, 17.3, 17.4, 18.5 = +5.0
Elvir Ovcina (14.6), 14.7, 9.0, 9.5
Josh Pace 13.5, 15.2, 13.5, 16.2 = +2.7
Andy Rautins 8.3, 8.9, 11.6, 15.4 = +7.1
JB Reafsnyder (17.1), 8.2, 11.2, 12.5
Tyler Roberson 7.5, 14.5, 15.4, 13.0 = 5.5
Terrence Roberts 4.1, 13.0, 14.5, 14.5 = +10.4
Erik Rogers (3.5), (7.3), (13.7), (6.5)
Rony Seikaly 12.0, 17.0, 22.4, 21.1 = +9.1
Preston Shumpert 11.6, 14.1, 17.5, 18.3 = +6.7
Bourama Sidibe 7.5, 5.6, 15.8, 12.6 = +5.1
Lazarus Sims 2.8, 7.7, 10.3, 11.8 = +9.0
Dave Siock -0.3, 10.8, 3.8, 6.5 = +6.8
James Southerland 15.7, 13.0, 17.9, 16.4 = +0.7
Sonny Spera 1.9, 7.2, 10.2, (6.5)
Etan Thomas 12.7, 19.5, 21.9, 21.8 = +9.1
Stevie Thompson 9.1, 16.0, 19.9, 15.6 = +6.5
Brandon Triche 12.4, 11.1, 13.9, 11.4 = -1.0
Howie Triche 7.2, (9.7), 12.3, 12.7 = +5.5
John Wallace 16.0, 20.3, 22.7, 22.6 = +6.6
Hakim Warrick 14.2, 10.1, 19.3, 20.5 = +6.3
Darryl Watkins (5.1), 16.4, 13.9, 16.6

The averages per year, counting only those players (50), who played at least 100 minutes in all four years: 10.5, 12.5, 14.8, 15.0. A four year guy will normally be a productive player when he first shows up: he won’t get lost in the crowd early. There is substantial improvement between the freshman and sophomore years but the biggest leap is between the sophomore and junior years. By then, the player is pretty much what he is going to be.

The top ten improvements from freshman to senior:

Demetris Nichols + 12.2
As a freshman:
14.2m 9.9p 5.3r 1.4a 1.4s 1.5b 19.5+ 7.2mfg 0.9mft 1.4to 4.3pf 13.8- = 5.7NP 1.8OE 3.9FG
As a senior:
34.8m 21.8p 6.2r 1.8a 1.6s 1.2b 32.6+ 9.1mfg 0.7mft 2.5to 2.4pf 14.7- = 17.9NP 12.0OE 5.9FG
A tremendous improvement in scoring: he made shots, (he missed a few more, too but he was taking more because so many of them were going in). He improved his rebounding, (which was pretty good for a jump-shooter), and made fewer fouls.

Herman Harried + 12.1
As a freshman:
6.6m 7.4p 8.9r 0.8a 0.5s 0.3b 17.9+ 6.8mfg 3.2mft 3.2to 5.0pf 18.2- = -0.3NP -2.6OE 2.3FG
As a senior:
10.8m 12.0p 10.4r 1.5a 1.7s 0.2b 25.8+ 4.3mfg 2.3 mft 2.3to 5.1pf 14.0- = 11.8NP 5.5OE 6.3FG
Herm was a career reserve but that didn’t mean he didn’t improve during his career. He scored more while missing fewer shots, (they don’t always go together: look at Nichols), He rebounded better, had more assists and steals, cut down on the turnovers and even missed fewer free throws.

Terrence Roberts +10.4
As a freshman:
7.6m 9.3p 9.0r 0.8a 1.9s 1.7b 22.7+ 6.4mfg 1.9mft 2.7to 7.6pf 18.6- = 4.1NP 1.0OE 3.1FG
As a senior:
28.8m 12.4p 11.1r 1.7a 1.3s 1.9b 28.4+ 4.1mfg 2.8mft 2.6to 4.4pf 13.9- = 14.5NP 5.5OE 9.0FG
Terrence was a popular choice on the thread about players who “didn’t pan out”. Often we make up our minds about players from first impressions: Terrence was a pretty good player by the time he was a senior. He just never became a good offensive player, which is what the fans focus on. I remember as a physically strong guy who played good defense and rebounded well. But we wanted a little bit more form our power forward. His stats basically improved across the board in his four years here, except for his free throw shooting.

Rakeem Christmas +9.5
As a freshman:
11.5m 9.6p 10.2r 0.7a 1.0s 2.8b = 24.3+ 3.0mfg 1.1mft 2.2to 5.9pf = 12.2- = 12.1NP 5.5OE 6.6FG
As a senior:
34.3m 21.6p 10.6r 1.8a 1.1s 2.9b = 36.7+ 6.2mfg 2.1mft 2.9to 3.9pf = 15.1- = 21.6NP 12.0OE 9.6FG
Rakeem was always a valuable player. His interior defense, platooning with Baye Keita, was a key to the 2013 Final Four run. But, as big men tend to do, the reduced his fouls as his career went along. And he also developed a productive inside scoring game, the last we have had.

Rony Seikaly +9.1
As a freshman:
25.0m 12.9p 10.2r 0.7a 0.6s 3.0b 27.4+ 4.2mfg 2.4mft 2.6to 6.2pf 15.4- = 12.0NP 6.3OE 5.7FG
As a senior:
31.0m 21.0p 12.4r 0.8a 0.8s 3.1b 38.1+ 6.2mfg 3.7mft 3.2to 3.9pf 17.0- = 21.1NP 11.1OE 10.0FG
A lot of people remember Rony as being awful when he first showed up here but he wasn’t. Like all our young big men he fouled too much but he was productive. He became a much better scoring threat as his career progressed and a better rebounder.

Lazarus Sims +9.0
As a freshman:
7.4m 5.7p 3.0r 6.2a 2.4s 0.0b +17.3 4.6mfg 1.6mft 5.9to 2.4pf -14.5 = 2.8NP -0.5OE 3.3FG
As a senior:
35.6m 7.1p 4.1r 8.3a 1.6s 0.1b +21.2 2.9mfg 0.7mft 3.6to 2.2pf -9.4 = 11.8NP 3.5OE 8.3FG
Sims was never a statistically prolific player. He was never a great scorer: he needed to be surrounded by players who were. But he was a big, strong guard at the top of the zone. He greatly improved his passing, although he still had more turnovers than people remember. He was a turnover machine as a freshman and considerably improved but still had the same number as Scoop Jardine did as a senior. His numbers are very close to Michael Carter-Williams this year, (MCW’s assist to turnover ratio was 8.3/3.9), except he wasn’t a scorer. He was willing to take chances to pass for baskets but not to shoot for them.

Etan Thomas +8.9
As a freshman:
16.3m 14.0p 10.3r 0.3a 0.9s 4.7b +30.2 4.7mfg 3.7mft 3.2to 5.7pf -17.3 = 12.9NP 5.6OE 7.3FG
As a senior:
32.4m 16.8p 11.4r 0.7a 0.9s 4.6b +34.4 4.2mfg 2.0mft 2.5to 3.9pf -12.6 = 21.8NP 10.6OE 11.2FG
As with Rony Seikaly, people remember him as a being terrible when he first showed up but he wasn’t. He never became a big-time scorer because he lacked a jump shot but he was a good inside guy and improved his rebounding and free-throw shooting while cutting down on the fouls. He was also one of the best shot blockers we’ve had, using his left hand so he wouldn’t have to reach across most player’s bodies to get to the ball.

Conrad McRae +8.5
As a freshman:
9.3m 8.4p 8.6r 1.1a 1.1s 4.3b +23.5 2.4mfg 2.4mft 0.5to 7.6pf -12.9 = 10.6NP 3.6OE 7.0FG
As a senior:
30.0m 16.4p 9.2r 0.6a 1.6s 3.6b +31.4 4.9mfg 1.0mft 2.1to 4.3pf -12.3 = 19.1NP 10.5OE 8.6FG
People often talk about Conrad as if he were some kind of “flop”. Again, I think they confuse big scoring and quality play and tend to remember him more form the first time we saw him. He put up some serious numbers as a senior, although he probably could rebounded a bit better. I would love to have had him this year. Like all big men he had to cut down on the fouls and became a better scorer over his career. Surprisingly he had more turnovers but has a better scorer, he saw more of the ball on offense. He missed more shots for the same reason. He was a great shot-blocker but his blocks went down slightly through his career as he became more selective and a better overall defender.

Adrian Autry +8.4
As a freshman:
33.2m 11.7p 3.1r 6.4a 2.4s 0.2b +23.8 6.1mfg 1.0mft 4.3to 4.0pf -15.4 = 8.4NP 4.6OE 3.8FG
As a senior:
35.7m 18.7p 5.4r 6.8a 1.8s 0.4b +33.1 8.1mfg 1.0mft 4.3to 2.9pf -16.3 = 16.8NP 9.6OE 7.2FG
Adrian came here as a highly rated point guard and was a big disappointment his first two years, ((8.4NP and 8.9NP). But then he became one of the best we’ve had, (14.6NP and 16.8NP). He was another big guard at the top of the zone. He wasn’t quite the passer MCW was but a better shooter, as Missouri found out in his final game, when he scored all 30 of his points after halftime in an overtime loss. He vastly improved his scoring in his career here but also became a strong rebounder from the guard position, (MCW was 5.5 per 40 minutes this year: Autry was 2 inches shorter and almost matched that as a senior. He missed more shots but was taking more as well. And he reduced his fouls, always the sign of a maturing player.

Rick Jackson +7.4
As a freshman:
12.9m 11.5p 9.3r 1.7a 1.3s 3.9b 27.7+ 4.1mfg 2.2mft 2.8to 3.9pf 13.0- = 14.7NP 5.2OE 9.5FG
As a senior:
35.6m 14.7p 11.6r 2.5a 1.5s 2.8b 33.1+ 4.3mfg 2.1mft 2.3to 2.3pf 11.0- = 22.1NP 8.3OE 13.8FG
Rick didn’t have one stat where he improved sharply: he got better across the board. He did block fewer shots, probably because he was played more at forward as a senior. And, of course, he committed fewer fouls, although that was not as big a problem when he was a freshman as it was for other SU big men, perhaps because JB was using more and more zone by then.

Dave Johnson +7.4
As a freshman:
14.6m 11.5p 5.5r 2.7a 1.3s 0.3b 21.3+ 5.2mfg 2.4mft 1.8to 5.2pf 14.6- = 6.7NP 3.9OE 2.8FG
As a senior:
37.9m 20.9p 7.4r 1.6a 1.6s 0.4b +31.9 9.7mfg 2.0mft 2.9to 3.2pf -17.8 = 14.1NP 9.2OE 4.9FG
Always an explosive athlete, Johnson found an outside shot as a junior, (and had an even better year than he did as a senior, (18.3NP). He also learned to use his strength and jumping ability to become a force on the boards. He missed a lot more shots, again because he was taking a lot more but, again, he reduced his fouls significantly. Jim Boeheim said DJ did the best dunk he’s ever seen: a 360 form the foul line to terminate one practice session, (nobody could follow that).

 

[SWC75]

I decided to take another look at historical net points on a position-by-position basis: what is typical for a starter-quality player at each position. I’m looking at anyone who averaged 20 minutes a game and just at his net points, (having already posted the numbers and formula used to compute them). I’m now listing the players as point guard, shooting guards, small forward, power forwards and centers so we can look at the norms for those positions. I’m interpreting where those players belong by my memory of them, how the media guide lists them and presuming that the guard with the most assists is a point man and the forward with the most rebounds is the power forward. If a player is playing out of position, (such as Marek: really a small forward playing center), I’ll list him at his natural position. If we had a three-guard line-up, I’ll list them as guards, with the high assist man as the point guard. Some of our best teams have essentially had two power forwards. Again, players are listed only once: by the highest NP/40 rating they had in their careers. The year is when the season was completes: 1980-81 is ‘81’.

CENTERS

Rony Seikaly 87 22.4
Rick Jackson 11 22.1
Etan Thomas 99 21.9
Rakeem Christmas 15 21.6
Jesse Edwards 22 21.0
Danny Schayes 81 20.3
LeRon Ellis 91 19.4
Conrad McRae 93 19.1
Arinze Onuaku 10 18.5
Otis Hill 97 17.8
Darryl Watkins 07 16.6
Fab Melo 12 16.1
Bourama Sidibe 20 15.8
Craig Forth 04 14.5
Paschal Chukwu 18 14.0
Average 18.7 (281.1/15)

POWER FORWARDS

Derrick Coleman 89 28.5
Billy Owens 91 26.7
Carmelo Anthony 03 22.9
John Wallace 95 22.7
Wes Johnson 10 22.4
Leo Rautins 83 21.3
Hakim Warrick 05 20.5
Wendell Alexis 86 20.3
Damone Brown 01 20.0
Paul Harris 08 18.9
Tyler Lydon 17 18.5
Quincy Guerrier 21 17.6
Ryan Blackwell 98 17.2
CJ Fair 13 16.3
Donte Greene 08 16.3
Tyler Roberson 16 15.4
Cole Swider 22 15.4
Jerami Grant 14 15.3
Chris McCullough 15 15.2
Sean Kerins 84 15.0
Ron Payton 82 14.9
Terrence Roberts 07 14.5
Andre Hawkins 84 14.2
Oshae Brissett 18 13.9
Average 18.5 (443.9/24)

SMALL FORWARDS

Eric Santifer 83 21.0
Rafael Addison 86 20.1
Stevie Thompson 89 19.9
Lawrence Moten 94 19.6
Dave Johnson 91 18.3
Preston Shumpert 02 18.3
Alan Griffin 21 18.2
Demetris Nichols 07 17.9
Elijah Hughes 20 17.3
Kris Joseph 10 16.6
Tony Bruin 83 16.5
James Southerland 13 16.4
Todd Burgan 98 16.2
Jason Cipolla 97 16.2
Josh Pace 04 16.2
Andrew White 17 15.3
Michael Gbinije 16 14.9
Marek Dolezaj 20 14.3
Jimmy Boeheim 22 14.2
Kueth Duany 02 13.3
Luke Jackson 95 12.8
Howie Triche 87 12.7
Marius Janulis 97 9.8
Malachi Richardson 16 9.7
Average 16.2 (385.7/24)

SHOOTING GUARDS

Dion Waiters 12 17.3
Andy Rautins 10 15.4
Greg Monroe 87 14.5
Buddy Boeheim 22 14.4
Brandon Triche 12 13.9
Eric Devendorf 08 13.3
Tyus Battle 19 12.7
Matt Roe 89 12.0
Marty Headd 81 11.6
Trevor Cooney 14 11.5
DeShaun Williams 02 10.7
Mike Hopkins 93 10.4
Tony Bland 00 10.1
Michael Brown 85 10.0
Average 12.7 (177.8/14)

POINT GUARDS

Sherman Douglas 87 21.1
Pearl Washington 86 20.9
Billy Edelin 04 16.9
Adrian Autry 94 16.8
Jonny Flynn 09 16.7
Scoop Jardine 10 16.5
Michael Carter-Williams 13 16.1
Kadary Richmond 21 14.9
Tyler Ennis 14 14.7
John Gillon 17 14.4
Gerry McNamara 06 14.2
Joe Girard 22 13.3
Michael Lloyd 95 13.3
Jason Hart 99 12.8
Allen Griffin 01 11.8
Lazarus Sims 96 11.8
James Thues 02 11.2
Gene Waldron 83 11.1
Frank Howard 18 9.8
Josh Wright 07 9.8
Eddie Moss 81 9.6
Michael Edwards 90 9.5
Kaleb Joseph 15 6.7
Average 13.6 (313.9/23)

Comments: Of the 98 players who have played at least 20 minutes per game in the last 40 seasons, 91 of them have averaged at least 10.0 NP/40 in their best seasons, confirming that that is a good indicator of a player who is good enough to start, even if someone else might be better. The closer you are to the basket, both vertically and horizontally, the better chance you have to accumulate the positive numbers that determine ‘net points’ and to avoid the negatives numbers. The big ticket items are points, missed field goals, rebounds and assists. If fouls are a big ticket item, you aren’t on these lists because you aren’t playing 20+ minutes a game. And, again, there are many things that aren’t recorded in the box score that matter, although the most statistically productive players tend to grade highly in those areas, as well.