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Message: [QUOTE="SWC75, post: 4209211, member: 289"] Here are the per 40 minute averages for SU’s 2021-22 men’s basketball team. I’ve limited to player who played at least 100 minutes. Glossary: m = minutes per game that they were available to play. The rest, per 40 minutes: p = points; r = rebounds; a = assists; s = steals, b = blocks; mfg = missed field goals; mft = missed free throws; to = turnovers; pf = personal fouls; NP: “net points” = (p+r+a+s+b) minus (mfg+mft+to+pf); OE: “offensive efficiency” = p-mfg-mft; FG: “floor game” = NP – OE. TNP: Total Net Points for the season. Buddy Boeheim 37.9m 20.2p 3.6r 3.2a 1.6s 0.1b = 28.7+ 10.3mfg 0.4mft 1.8to 1.8pf = 14.3- 14.4NP 9.5OE 4.9FG TNP: 433 Jimmy Boeheim 34.6m 15.9p 7.2r 1.8a 1.0s 0.1b = 26.0+ 7.1mfg 1.3mft 1.5to 1.9pf = 11.8- 14.2NP 7.5OE 6.7FG TNP: 404 Cole Swider 34.4m 16.2p 7.9r 1.6a 1.1s 0.4b = 27.2+ 7.2mfg 0.3mft 1.6to 2.7pf = 11.8- 15.4NP 8.7OE 6.7FG TNP: 435 Joe Girard 34.1m 16.2p 3.3r 4.9a 1.9s 0.0b = 26.3+ 7.8mfg 0.4mft 3.3to 1.5pf = 13.0- 13.3NP 8.0OE 5.3FG TNP: 374 Jesse Edwards 27.8m 17.3p 9.3r 1.5a 1.6s 4.0b = 33.7+ 3.0mfg 2.5mft 1.8to 5.4pf = 12.7- 21.0NP 11.8OE 9.2FG TNP: 353 Frank Anselem 14.2m 7.4p 10.9r 1.1a 0.7s 1.5a = 21.6+ 1.6mfg 1.4mft 1.5to 5.7pf = 10.2- 11.4NP 4.4OE 7.0FG TNP: 129 Symir Torrence 13.0m 7.9p 4.8r 9.0a 1.3s 0.2b = 23.2+ 4.6mfg 1.0mft 2.7to 2.1pf = 10.4- 12.8NP 2.3OE 10.5FG TNP: 125 Bourama Sidibe 11.8m 10.2p 9.4r 1.3a 2.4s 2.9b = 25.7+ 2.1mfg 1.3mft 1.6to 8.1pf = 13.1- 12.6NP 6.8OE 5.8FG TNP: 50 Benny Williams 11.5m 6.7p 5.0r 0.7a 1.4s 0.8b = 14.6+ 4.9mfg 1.0mft 2.2to 2.9pf = 11.0- 3.6NP 0.8OE 2.8FG TNP: 32 Historical Comparisons (five possible matches for each): Buddy Boeheim as a senior 37.9m 20.2p 3.6r 3.2a 1.6s 0.1b = 28.7+ 10.3mfg 0.4mft 1.8to 1.8pf = 14.3- 14.4NP 9.5OE 4.9FG TNP: 433 Gerry McNamara as a senior 35.2m 18.2p 3.1r 6.7a 2.1s 0.1b 30.2+ 10.3mfg, 0.4mft 3.8to 1.5pf 16.0- = 14.2NP 7.5OE 6.7FG TNP: 437 Eric Devendorf as a junior 34.2m 19.9p 3.0r 4.6a 2.0s 0.5b 30.0+ 8.2mfg 1.1mft 4.0to 3.4pf 16.7- = 13.3NP 10.6OE 2.7FG TNP 114 Andy Rautins as a senior 32.5m 14.9p 4.2r 6.0a 2.4s 0.3b 27.8+ 5.8mfg 0.5mft 3.4to 2.7pf 12.4- = 15.4NP 8.6OE 6.8FG TNP: 434 Brandon Triche as a junior 22.5m 16.6p 4.4r 4.6a 1.8s 0.2b = 27.6+ 8.0mfg 0.9mft 2.4to 2.4pf = 13.7- = 13.9NP 7.7OE 6.2FG TNP: 285 Michael Gbinije as a senior 37.9M 18.4P 4.3R 4.6A 2.0S 0.4B = 29.7+ 7.5MFG 1.5MFT 3.0TO 2.8PF = 14.8- = 14.9NP 9.4OE 5.5FG TNP: 532 Comments: Gerry was, like Joe Girard, a shooting guard playing the point so he ahs more assists than Buddy but the other numbers are pretty similar. Devo only played 10 games that year but his NP was this closest match to Buddy. The big difference there was that Eric was our best on the dribble-drive since the Pearl. Buddy got better at it but was no Devo. Rautins was never much on the drive but was an outstanding passer, which Buddy isn’t. Brandon was a good all-round guard without being outstanding at anything. I remember him for being one our physically strongest guards. The guy was built. Mike was a combo small forward and point forward. Again he was an all-round player, not outstanding at any one thing. But his numbers might be the best fit. Jimmy Boeheim as a senior 34.6m 15.9p 7.2r 1.8a 1.0s 0.1b = 26.0+ 7.1mfg 1.3mft 1.5to 1.9pf = 11.8- 14.2NP 7.5OE 6.7FG TNP: 404 Sean Kerins as a senior 28.3m 15.7p 7.9r 1.4a 1.0s 0.5b 26.5+ 6.4mfg 0.4mft 1.7to 3.0pf 11.5- = 15.0np 8.9oe 6.1fg TNP 340 Kueth Duany as a junior 30.8m 15.9p 6.9r 2.1a 1.9s 0.8b +27.6 7.3mfg 1.3mft 2.5to 3.2pf -14.3 = 13.3NP 7.3OE 6.0FG TNP 369 Josh Pace as a freshman 12.2m 14.2p 6.7r 2.6a 3.0s 0.4b +26.9 6.1mfg 1.5mft 2.3to 3.5pf -13.4 = 13.5NP 6.6OE 6.9FG TNP 181 Demetris Nichols as a junior 33.3m 16.0p 7.0r 1.7a 1.5s 1.1b 27.3+ 7.6mfg 1.0mft 2.2to 3.3pf 14.1- = 13.2NP 7.4OE 5.8FG TNP 388 Kris Joseph as a senior 32.2m 16.6p 5.8r 1.9a 1.7s 0.8b = 26.8+ 7.6mfg 1.3mft 1.8to 2.1pf = 12.8 = 14.0NP 7.7OE 6.3FG TNP: 416 Comments: Kerins is a pretty good match. Duany isn’t far off, either. I described Jimmy early on as “a 6-8 Josh Pace” but the numbers don’t match up as well. D-Nich was a better outside shooter, altho0ugh Jimmy hit a good percent age this year. Joseph seems like a good match offensively but he wasn’t a good rebounder. Cole Swider as a senior 34.4m 16.2p 7.9r 1.6a 1.1s 0.4b = 27.2+ 7.2mfg 0.3mft 1.6to 2.7pf = 11.8- 15.4NP 8.7OE 6.7FG TNP: 435 Ron Payton as a senior 24.4m 17.5p 8.7r 0.9a 1.2s 0.6b 28.9+ 5.1mfg 2.3mft 2.1to 4.5pf 14.0- = NP: 14.9 OE: 10.1 FG: 4.8 TNP: 380 Sean Kerins as a senior 28.3m 15.7p 7.9r 1.4a 1.0s 0.5b 26.5+ 6.4mfg 0.4mft 1.7to 3.0pf 11.5- = 15.0np 8.9oe 6.1fg TNP 340 Kris Joseph as a junior 32.4m 17.6p 6.5r 2.7a 1.9s 0.8b 29.5+ 6.8mfg 1.9mft 2.7to 2.3pf 13.7- = 15.8NP 8.9OE 6.9FG TNP 436 C. J. Fair as a junior 34.8m 16.7p 8.0r 0.8a 1.3s 1.2b = 28.0+ 7.0mfg 1.1mft 1.8to 1.8pf = 11.7- = 16.3NP 8.6OE 7.7FG TNP 566 Jerami Grant as a sophomore 31.4m 15.4p 8.6r 1.8a 1.0s 0.7b = 27.5+ 5.4mfg 2.3mft 1.5to 3.0pf = 12.2- = 15.3NP 7.7OE 7.6FG TNP 386 Comments: Kerins fits here, too, statistically, as does Payton. But neither was the outside shooter Swider is. Joseph and Fair could hit from outside but were better at driving to the basket. I don’t recall grant having much of an outside shot when he was here. A catch and shoot guy who is also the team’s leading rebounder is a rare type of player. Joe Girard as a junior 34.1m 16.2p 3.3r 4.9a 1.9s 0.0b = 26.3+ 7.8mfg 0.4mft 3.3to 1.5pf = 13.0- 13.3NP 8.0OE 5.3FG TNP 374 Michael Lloyd as a junior 31.9m 15.7p 4.0r 6.5a 2.5s 0.1b +28.8 6.7mfg 2.0mft 3.8to 3.0pf -15.5 = 13.3NP 7.0OE 6.3FG TNP 318 Jason Hart as a junior 32.4m 17.2p 3.7r 5.4a 3.8s 0.2b +30.3 9.0mfg 0.9mft 3.9to 3.7pf -17.5 = 12.8NP 7.3OE 5.5FG TNP 338 Gerry McNamara as a junior 35.6m 17.8p 2.6r 5.6a 2.1s 0.1b 28.2+ 9.0mfg 0.5mft 3.3to 2.1pf 14.9- = 13.3NP 8.3OE 5.0FG TNP 400 Brandon Triche as a junior 22.5m 16.6p 4.4r 4.6a 1.8s 0.2b = 27.6+ 8.0mfg 0.9mft 2.4to 2.4pf = 13.7- = 13.9NP 7.7OE 6.2FG TNP: 285 John Gillon as a senior 29.9M 14.1P 2.5R 7.3A 1.9S 0.0B 25.8+ 6.0MFG 0.6MFT 2.8TO 2.0PF 11.4- = 14.4NP 7.5OE 6.9FG TNP 364 Comment: GMAC is the obvious comparison: about the same size and similar skills. Both ‘2’ guards forced into playing the point due to the failures of others. The stats reveal Gerry as the better passer but he shot more. He was a sort of combination of Joe and Buddy being our #1 outside threat and thus the focus of the defense. Lloyd was more like a better Sy Torrance. Hart is better remembered as a defensive player. Triche was bigger and stronger with more all-round but unexceptional skills. Gillon was a smallish gunner capable of streaks and big shots but an indifferent defender. The numbers show him as a much better passer than Joe. Frank Anselem as a sophomore 14.2m 7.4p 10.9r 1.1a 0.7s 1.5a = 21.6+ 1.6mfg 1.4mft 1.5to 5.7pf = 10.2- 11.4NP 4.4OE 7.0FG TNP 129 JB Reafsnyder as a junior 19.1m 12.1p 9.1r 2.1a 1.3s 1.5b +26.1 5.6mfg 1.1mft 3.1to 5.1pf -14.9 = 11.2NP 5.4OE 5.8FG TNP: 159 Bill Celuck as a junior 17.4m 10.0p 9.1r 1.4a 1.3s 2.9b +24.7 3.4mfg 0.8mft 1.7to 7.6pf -13.5 = 11.2NP 5.8OE 5.4FG TNP 135 Baye Moussa Keita as a freshman 14.6m 6.0p 10.3r 0.5a 1.6s 3.4b 21.8+ 1.9mfg 1.3mft 1.6to 5.9pf 10.7- = 11.1NP 2.8OE 8.3FG TNP 143 Rakeem Christmas as a freshman 11.5m 9.6p 10.2r 0.7a 1.0s 2.8b = 24.3+ 3.0mfg 1.1mft 2.2to 5.9pf = 12.2- = 12.1NP 5.5OE 6.6FG TNP 128 Paschal Chukwu as a junior 27.2m 7.8p 10.0r 0.6a 1.0s 3.6b = 23.0+ 1.5mfg 1.3mft 1.6to 4.6pf = 9.0- = 14.0NP 5.0OE 9.0FG TNP 357 Comments: JB was a better scorer. Celuck I as athletic. Keita might be a better version of Frank. He was clearly a better defender. Christmas had more upside and Paschall was bigger. The last three were better shot-blockers. Symir Torrence as a junior 13.0m 7.9p 4.8r 9.0a 1.3s 0.2b = 23.2+ 4.6mfg 1.0mft 2.7to 2.1pf = 10.4- 12.8NP 2.3OE 10.5FG TNP: 125 Michael Edwards as a freshman 24.0m 10.5p 1.8r 8.5a 1.5s 0.1b +22.4 5.3mfg 0.4mft 4.1to 3.1pf -12.9 = 9.5NP 4.8OE 4.7FG TNP 238 Lazarus Sims as a senior 35.6m 7.1p 4.1r 8.3a 1.6s 0.1b +21.2 2.9mfg 0.7mft 3.6to 2.2pf -9.4 = 11.8NP 3.5OE 8.3FG TNP 405 Allen Griffin as a senior 36.7m 11.8p 3.6r 7.1a 2.1s 0.2b +24.8 6.2mfg 1.4mft 3.1to 2.3pf -13.0 = 11.8NP 4.2OE 7.6FG TNP 364 James Thues as a sophomore 31.3m 7.2p 3.7r 6.3a 3.6s 0.4b +21.2 3.5mfg 1.0mft 3.1to 2.4pf -10.0 = 11.2NP 2.7OE 8.5FG TNP 314 Frank Howard as a sophomore 15.7M 11.2P 4.1R 9.0A 2.9S 0.4B 27.6+ 6.8MFG 1.5MFT 4.3TO 4.2PF 16.8- = 10.8NP 2.9OE 7.9FG TNP 144 Comments: Not a lot of SU guards short of Pearl Washington and Sherman Douglas have averaged 9.0 assists per 40 minutes. Edwards, scored more, rebounded less and turned it over more. Sims numbers are much closer – and those are from the year we lost to Kentucky in the NCAA final. You don’t need a scoring point guard when you’ve got plenty of scoring from elsewhere. Griffin scored more. Thues was more of a defensive guy but under-rated in other aspects. Howard also scored more and tended to stay outside. Bourama Sidibe 11.8m 10.2p 9.4r 1.3a 2.4s 2.9b = 25.7+ 2.1mfg 1.3mft 1.6to 8.1pf = 13.1- 12.6NP 6.8OE 5.8FG TNP: 50 Rony Seikaly as a freshman 25.0m 12.9p 10.2r 0.7a 0.6s 3.0b 27.4+ 4.2mfg 2.4mft 2.6to 6.2pf 15.4- = 12.0NP 6.3OE 5.7FG TNP 233 Bill Celuck as a junior 17.4m 10.0p 9.1r 1.4a 1.3s 2.9b +24.7 3.4mfg 0.8mft 1.7to 7.6pf -13.5 = 11.2NP 5.8OE 5.4FG TNP 135 Darryl Watkins as a junior 29.8m 9.6p 9.7r 0.9a 1.7s 3.8b 25.7+ 3.5mfg 1.6mft 2.5to 4.2pf 11.8- = 13.9NP 4.5OE 9.4FG TNP 363 Rakeem Christmas as a sophomore 20.8m 9.8p 8.8r 0.4a 1.0s 3.5b = 23.5+ 3.7mfg 1.1mft 1.7to 4.8pf = 11.3- = 12.2NP 5.0OE 7.2FG TNP 255 Baye Moussa Keita as a junior 16.8m 8.9p 8.9r 0.4a 1.3s 2.7b = 22.2+ 2.0mfg 1.5mft 1.3to 5.7pf = 10.5- = 11.7NP 5.4OE 6.3FG TNP 194 Comments: Seikaly scored more and Keita less. Bourama committed a lot of fouls, probably because his knees made it hard to keep up defensively. I don’t think of Billy when I think of Bourama but they were a pretty close statical match. Benny Williams as a freshman 11.5m 6.7p 5.0r 0.7a 1.4s 0.8b = 14.6+ 4.9mfg 1.0mft 2.2to 2.9pf = 11.0- 3.6NP 0.8OE 2.8FG TNP 32 Ron Payton as a junior 12.2m 13.1p 7.7r 2.1a 1.0s 0.9b 24.8+ 4.6mfg 2.5mft 4.0to 6.1pf 6.1- = NP: 7.6 OE: 6.0 FG: 1.6 TNP: 50 Rodney Walker as a freshman 12.6m 10.5p 9.9r 0.6a 0.9s 0.4b 22.3+ 4.9mfg 1.5mft 1.7to 7.1pf 15.2- = 7.1NP 4.1OE 3.0FG TNP 63 Demetris Nichols as freshmen 14.2m 9.9p 5.3r 1.4a 1.4s 1.5b 19.5+ 7.2mfg 0.9mft 1.4to 4.3pf 13.8- = 5.7NP 1.8OE 3.9FG TNP 61 Louie McCroskey as a freshman 12.7m 11.1p 6.2r 2.7a 2.1s 0.4b 22.5+ 8.2mfg 1.1mft 2.8to 3.9pf 16.0- = 6.5NP 2.9OE 3.6FG TNP 64 Tyler Roberson as a freshman 8.1m 10.6p 9.4r 1.2a 1.0s 1.0b = 23.2+ 8.1mfg 1.7mft 1.7to 4.2pf = 15.7- = 7.5NP 0.8OE 6.7FG TNP 30 Comments: Every one of these players was a better player than Benny Williams has been this year. They all scored and rebounded more. All but Walker were better passers. I’ll credit Benny with avoiding fouls but that might be because he wasn’t trying to do much. I have never seen a greater gap between expectations and production. If Benny becomes a star, or even a productive player, it will be the greatest improvement in SU history. [/QUOTE]

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