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Message: [QUOTE="djorange1989, post: 5325411, member: 3508"] Yep and Howard had thrown 800 passes in his career before coming to OSU, Kyle had thrown 58 before he became their starter in 2023. Kyle played better against a champion Michigan, on the road, than Howard played, at home, against a mediocre Michigan. The 4 team vs 12 team is why Howard even had a chance to win a title and Kyle didn’t. But don’t tell OSU Kyle haters any of that [/QUOTE]