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Message: [QUOTE="sufandu, post: 1012763, member: 874"] I think the argument would be where the cut off line is between the top tier and second tier, because the group contains both. For me that line is between Kentucky and Michigan St. The thing that's a little frustrating for me is that the three teams immediately in front of us got all of their final fours/championships after JB's first in '87. I wouldn't think UConn and Florida, while building programs out of nothing, should have been able to surpass our success in a relatively short time. That's disappointing. [/QUOTE]