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Message: [QUOTE="Orangezoo, post: 5639815, member: 237"] You are the only one talking in circles and not even having an argument here. There are multiple teams with up and coming coaches who are faring far better with less talent than Red, most notably two of the guys mentioned as replacements. You are trying to back into the talent argument via results. Essentially saying results prove the talent is good enough and that no matter what the roster is- if they don’t win- it’s that they have less talent than expected. That’s nonsensical. If that were the case then AI would be coaching since there is no need for anything but recruiting. It also doesn’t explain why teams with multiple lottery picks still barely make the tournament or don’t make it. If the NBA wants them and they succeed at that level but don’t win much in college they aren’t talented enough? [/QUOTE]