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Message: [QUOTE="Orangezoo, post: 4825274, member: 237"] Fair but I don't think others want to admit just how bad we were last year too. The factors to making that team as such is a story not yet sorted out yet both of whose back and who left. It's likely a bit of a double edged sword for Red and the players combined. As for where we land record wise this year it's going to be as much if not more about the players than Red in year 1 to see who is willing to help be a leader whether in games or practice to push the best out of everyone. Reading and reacting as a new coach while you have so much else to focus on is something that won't yield quick returns. [/QUOTE]