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[QUOTE="Crusty, post: 1235182, member: 2265"]
The post to which I was replying dealt with talent development, which stated DM was able to win with 2 and 3 star recruits. I was merely pointing out that we didn't win in conference play in the weakest of the AQ conferences and in fact were .500 overall during his tenure (He was .500 not over .500 and in league play he was under .400). I am not trying to knock DM.  I thought he was going to do great things at SU but he left and we will never know. However, I don't think what he did makes him Saint Doug either.

In my post I said, "I thought Saint Doug was a good coach and am grateful for what he did..." What he did was bring a program at the bottom of D1 to a bit below average. BTW, going to a bowl makes a team average these days - it simply means the team was at least .500.

With respect to development, Spruill, Jones, Bromley, Thomas and Anderson all made it to the NFL and they were developed under Shafer as much as Marrone. I would also argue that our defense has been consistently better than our offense since 2009.

The bottom line is we simply don't know how good this staff will be in terms of developing players, but I think there is as much evidence with defensive players as the offensive names quoted as Marrone’s achievements to suggest that Shafer can develop players as well as Marrone. That is all I was saying.
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