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Message: [QUOTE="sutomcat, post: 2631750, member: 27"] I thought it was a decent list but Chris focused on the well known ones too much. Atunyote is a great course. It is kept in great shape. But it isn't that tough. It belongs on a list of the 10 best courses in upstate NY but not the 10 toughest. Shenendoah is even easier. It is really nice but not very difficult. It should never have been considered for inclusion. Seven Oaks should have been on the list. Big, glaring omission. It is long, the greens are tough and there is danger lurking everywhere. I would consider Radisson, Belleveue, Grossingers and Yahnundasis as well. They are all tough courses. [/QUOTE]