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Message: [QUOTE="sutomcat, post: 4533197, member: 27"] BC and Pitt should be 4s. Good there. We have played Wake every season since we joined the ACC. The series is very close to even and full of close, exciting games. I think a 3 is a good score here. They can't all be 4s. Western Michigan is a MAC school. I would put all games against MAC schools as a 2. Army is kind of interesting. We used to play them regularly circa 1920s and a major rivalry started to develop. We hated them and they hated us. But there was a game played between the schools circa 1930 that was extremely physical. A lot of players on both sides were injured and I think there was at least one major brawl. Both programs thought they had been wronged and blamed the other. If memory serves, we didn't play again for a long time. Several decades. We play them every once in a while in a 2 game series but the teams rarely meet. For the two biggest brands in NYS, it is shocking how rarely we play them. All the people involved with that game played almost 100 years ago are gone but things have never been the same since. Given all this, I think your 3 is correct. Colgate is another interesting opponent. They were once one of the premiere programs in the country, and the Syracuse-Colgate game regularly featured top 25 type teams. They are only about 25 miles from Syracuse. In the old days, most of Hamilton, the small town where Colgate is located, would come to Syracuse on the train and attend the game. It was our biggest rival and a huge thing in upstate NY. We were their biggest rival too. Students were kidnapped and their heads were shaved. Lakes were dyed orange. Lots of close games and little Colgate won more than Syracuse for a big stretch of the rivalry. But they weren't big enough to field big time football teams and by the late 1950s, Syracuse was destroying them each year. The series was canceled around this time and the two teams did not play for a while. They started playing us again after the Dome was built, always in Syracuse (as usual). It is usually our home opener and we always kill them, much to their chagrin. I would probably bump it to a 2 for [USER=381]All4SU[/USER]. He get a chance to break out his raccoon coat and straw hat for this one and it is still a big deal to people of a certain age. [IMG]https://www.messynessychic.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/racooncoatrevival50s.jpg[/IMG] [/QUOTE]

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