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Message: [QUOTE="Cuseregular, post: 4075664, member: 185"] maybe in their last year or two sure, of course they were, but in their earlier years like Shrader is now both were very limited. Thought it goes without saying we're talking about a kid essentially in his RS frosh year as the comparison here to make with GS. So it still holds true other than DM name one kid who wasn't limited here when using stage of careers as the apples to apples comparison. Not comparing a kid who hasn't even had one fulls years experience being qb #1 to guys in their last year or two after 3-4+ years in the system who were great, complete players and physically mature. What you point out is an apples vs. oranges situational comparison. If GS still appears limited in his later career here then I will concur that he was, is and remained a limited ability qb. Jury remains out IMO and I like a lot of what I see so far with hopes he grows steadily as a full player at his position. [/QUOTE]