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Message: [QUOTE="WoadBlue, post: 4946234, member: 1145"] That view means those FSU fans see all those losses to Wake in football as the ACC cheating FSU by forcing FSU to play a team far beneath FSU's football godlike status. Both BT and SEC have long histories of using media to promote the idea that top level football quality must equal very large attendance. FSU fans who have bought into that view thus see FSU and Clemson as the only ACC members who should ever be allowed to win the ACC. Even VT averaging more than 64K in a 66K seat stadium is not fully Big Time in their eyes, because that is well below SEC and BT averages. [/QUOTE]