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Message: [QUOTE="kingtidge, post: 5116038, member: 994"] So if we play our cards right, we can finish in the top 20, avoid relegation, and stare at the playoffs from the outside looking in?? (Of course in Euro soccer, no playoffs but instead, Champion's league or Europa league tournament spoils to the tier 1 league top performers/big money clubs.) That's the best to hope for? That's about the best you can do consistently if you aren't a top pyramid club... Settle in as second fiddle club or program and hope for the occasional year or two where you are on the fringes of success. There's the occasional lighting in a bottle team from the second fiddle group for a season here or there, but that is luck as much as anything else and certainly not sustainable. That's the euro promotion/relegation model in reality [/QUOTE]