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Message: [QUOTE="HtownOrange, post: 5168433, member: 622"] Respectfully, you are far removed from what I stated. While you are free to have and express your own opinion, please do not think you are granted rights to think or speak for me...or anyone else, for that matter. You attack the concept that the north has some value. Recall, NY start is the fourth largest state and no one carries more weight across the state in football and basketball than SU. You also forget that hoops is allegedly king in the ACC, if this is true, then you must allocate extra value just for hoops. Do these points make SU a "must have" (I use quotes because I am unsure what you were typing, not an actual quote. No!. Emphatically. However, it does make SU a property worth having. You also forget that both SU and Pitt were vetted by the B1G and when they joined the ACC the action caused a knee jerk reaction to solidify anything in the east, forcing them to take Rutgers. Did Rutgers help? Some. Has Rutgers done anything? Not really, other than guaranteeing the top teams and easy win each fall. And I would recommend SU take the duties of a tomato can in the B1G or SEC before considering the Big 12. Fox has done much to squeeze ESPN out of the northeast, they have the B1G and Big East. So, yeah, Fox has an interest in the northeast and to keep ESPN out of the northeast. You may claim that football is king, but live hoops in the northeast drives revenue in the winter, beyond what you think. It is part of why the ACC wanted SU at the same time they wanted FSU. Does this equate to Fox needing to grab SU, no. As to forcing their way into the B1G, I have no clue where you got that from. Likewise, the same for BC. If SU goes to the B1G with anyone else in the north, I would guess ND and/or Pitt, long before BC. As to SU in the SEC, the concept is not as far fetched as you think. The SEC is very top heavy, if ESPN is blowing up the ACC, why not trim fat, merge in eight or ten teams to create the fluff the SEC needs, cover the in-state rivalries, go to nine conference games and lock down the most valuable properties? It's a better concept than leaving good cuts of meat on the table for Fox. This also keeps ESPN relevant along the Atlantic Coast, you know the northeast with the most densely populated area in the country and it will remain so for decades. How you believe that my position is the same as FSU's is so far out of whack that you are likely a troll. Sorry, no arrogance like FSU. If I was arrogant like FSU I would have recommended joining the lawsuit. I have never done such. No, I simply look at the facts - as many as I can find - then apply reason, business, legal, and thought. I feel bad for you that you have to use personal attacks to push your views, they should stand on their own merit. Regarding your comments pertaining to the SEC, if the ACC is blown up and forced out of the top 3/4 conferences, does not expand, because you believe they only FSU and possibly Clemson, then the SEC remains a regional conference. If the remaining 1 or 2 power conferences are much more national, over time, the SEC viewership will dwindle. You may even see a scheduling agreement to squeeze out the SEC, not completely, but to devalue them making them play lesser teams more often, keeping more valuable games outside the SEC. Remember, you are asserting the SEC will not grow much more and take on cannon fodder (Vandy, KU's, etc.) for some easy wins. As it is, the SEC has more traditional powers than not which will force the SEC to take action of some kind to get more wins for all of the Big dogs. Ironically, you pivot and say SU and Pitt to the B1G is a good thing. I have no disagreement. My position is and has been that SU will land on its feet, where I am not sure of but they will land on there feet and if not, I will remain an SU fan. That is not arrogance, that is your messed up thought. I Also agree that the SEC does not want the B1G in the southeast in general. I am not sure that they will take all of FSU, Clemson, GATech, Miami, UVA, UNC, VATech, and NC State because they leave a lot for the B1G being essentially the only national conference. Plus, I am not sure all of those schools want to be in the SEC as scholastically they fit with the B1G and whether anyone likes it, athletics is a sideline business for universities. GATech, Miami, UVA and UNC may just as easily choose to go north over jumping to the SEC, to me, they are each a toss-up. Even NC State and VATech may lean towards academia if offered the opportunity because research pays much more. As to your last paragraph, no one disputes your position. Pretending I do is, again, your messed up thought. I do take a stance that isf the ACC holds on until 2036, the top heavy B1G and more top heavy SEC are more likely to expand significantly or break into the regional conferences like what we enjoyed in yesteryear. The former powers are not going to simply cash checks and take beat downs, that is for lesser schools with less $$ in their pockets. To be plain, I have never stated that SU was the most valuable team, only that SU has history, desire, capacity, sits in a large state, garners excellent coverage in hoops and does a good job in four all (check the ratings, not as bad as one would think for what many younger people perceived as a perpetual cellar dweller). Yes, I believe SU to be more valuable in general than Utah - prove me wrong. Nor have I asserted that SU was more valuable than UNC or UVA, just that when the music stops, SU will have a chair in the college sports version of musical chairs. Regardless, you still have neither right nor authority to present my position, I do so on my own. Further, doing so on such an egregious manner discredits your own postings and devalues your own thoughts and positions. P.S. I still don't believe FSU is doing as well in court as many intent mouthpieces and click baiters think. You haven't changed my mind. [/QUOTE]

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