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Message: [QUOTE="Ghost, post: 2423639, member: 581"] To me it's a pretty clear cut foul on G'Town as well. The offensive player isn't really making a basketball move of any sort - he's bulldozing. If he elevates in the same situation, or goes in normal, probably a foul on Marek. In that case the defender is sliding in front, and the defender wouldn't have been set before the offensive player arrived whilst doing something related to the game of basketball. As soon as you lower your shoulder though - I mean, you're initiating the contact regardless of what's going on. Just like if you jumped feet first into someone in some Karate Kid kamikaze move. I don't really care who is moving at that point - that's just not a basketball move. It's you being a spazzy nutjob - foul is on you. [/QUOTE]