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[QUOTE="MikeSU02, post: 4445010, member: 60"]
I'm going to nitpick a little bit - I don't think Joe has a lack of effort as though he's lazy. I think there are two parts:

1) Joe has been playing out of position until this year. That is hard to eat coming out of being the biggest fish in a tiny tiny pond. I think it's hard to deal with that and still stay motivated all the time when you are on an already bad defensive team like last year. It's kind of like the "big man has to eat" with Shaq, but on an upstate ny level. And now, I think he's running off ball a lot and not quite getting all the looks he wants, I think it can be a bit deflating. Not saying right or wrong, I just think it's human nature and not just for Joe.

2) He's limited athletically and physically. He can't go HAM all the time. He just can't. It's not fair to him. He's not an athletic specimen. I don't care how many records or titles he has in smalltown, ny. All while being the second ball handler in the starting lineup.

All this to say, while there are a lot of criticisms to levy at Joe (defense, bad two point shots, some poor pseudo heat checks), I don't think the dude is lazy.
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