Going Dancing in…..

[CU44SE]

To picky back of Trueblue25 post and the comments I have received about my expectations. I’m curious with a poll what year people expect to go dancing again.

My thoughts, it shouldn’t be that difficult to change the course of a program in 1-2 years due to the transfer portal and the amount of difference just 1 player can make.

Personally I will vote for 2 years. I expect to be dancing again by 2025.

 

[Cuse181]

To picky back of Trueblue25 post and the comments I have received about my expectations. I’m curious with a poll what year people expect to go dancing again.

My thoughts, it shouldn’t be that difficult to change the course of a program in 1-2 years due to the transfer portal and the amount of difference just 1 player can make.

Personally I will vote for 2 years. I expect to be dancing again by 2025.

If red brings back Judah and doesn’t play 2-3 exclusively but can’t go dancing next year I think that would be a pretty big let down.

 

[Finwad32]

I’d be willing to give Red some slack as he builds his roster. But it’s always been the expectation not the goal to be in the tourney.

Things can turn on a dime now, I hope Red comes out firing.

 

[Jasoncuse]

I have zero expectations for next year. I just don’t think the current players are good enough, we have nobody coming in and I don’t think we’d be able to do enough in the portal to pair with them. The following year should be a huge litmus test.

 

[Dave]

I have zero expectations for next year. I just don’t think the current players are good enough, we have nobody coming in and I don’t think we’d be able to do enough in the portal to pair with them. The following year should be a huge litmus test.

If the core comes back they are plenty good enough.

 

[OrangeDW]

Let’s see what the roster looks like. Really no other way to know.

If Judah and Jesse come back and we get a solid forward in the portal, I think we’re dancing next year easily.

 

[Jasoncuse]

If the core comes back they are plenty good enough.

The core as in everyone? The freshmen? Judah?

The core wasn’t good enough to sniff the tourney in an historically bad ACC year. I don’t have huge expectations for the frosh class beyond Judah so maybe it’s me. At least not for next year.

If Judah and Jesse return, we add a scoring guard and forward out of the portal, then we can be a tourney team. I just don’t see all that happening. And I certainly don’t see getting enough out of the portal if both Judah/Jesse are gone.

 

[Cusefan95]

Comparing to St John’s - it took Lavin until year 5, and Mullins until year 4. I don’t think anyone would consider those successful rebuilds. Pressure to turn things around has grown even since those guys - I think if you’re not an NCAA tourney team by year two, your rebuild is almost certainly going to be unsuccessful (if annually making the tourney is the standard of success).

 

[Dave]

The core as in everyone? The freshmen? Judah?

The core wasn’t good enough to sniff the tourney in an historically bad ACC year. I don’t have huge expectations for the frosh class beyond Judah so maybe it’s me. At least not for next year.

If Judah and Jesse return, we add a scoring guard and forward out of the portal, then we can be a tourney team. I just don’t see all that happening. And I certainly don’t see getting enough out of the portal if both Judah/Jesse are gone.

I’m not going to define core for you. If Judah, and the other freshman return. If MOST of the team returns, we will be good. Depending on who returns help through the portal would be necessary. The same team returning would be very good. This is college basketball. The players improve. It was a remarkable group in light of how little experience they had. I would love to roll with them a year older and more experienced and with m2m mixed in.

 

[dasher]

I’m not going to define core for you. If Judah, and the other freshman return. If MOST of the team returns, we will be good. Depending on who returns help through the portal would be necessary. The same team returning would be very good. This is college basketball. The players improve. It was a remarkable group in light of how little experience they had. I would love to roll with them a year older and more experienced and with m2m mixed in.

No. we need guys that can play man to man. Our Hall of Fame coach said these guys can't. I believe him. We need more speed and more well rounded players.

 

[Orangefizz]

I’d be willing to give Red some slack as he builds his roster. But it’s always been the expectation not the goal to be in the tourney.

Things can turn on a dime now, I hope Red comes out firing.

Red need to come out firing. He’s likely got 3 years to turn this around.

Boeheim mentioned in his final press conference that he was given 4 years and really had to push hard for the 4th year on his initial contract.

I think Red needs to get into the NCAA tournament at least two times and 1 Sweet 16 run to get a second contract. I’m hoping he hits the portal hard with tough and athletic players who can play pressure offense/defense.

LGO!!!

 

[OrlandoCuse]

Comparing to St John’s - it took Lavin until year 5, and Mullins until year 4. I don’t think anyone would consider those successful rebuilds. Pressure to turn things around has grown even since those guys - I think if you’re not an NCAA tourney team by year two, your rebuild is almost certainly going to be unsuccessful (if annually making the tourney is the standard of success).

We shouldn’t lower ourselves by comparing this program to St John’s

 

[Cusefan69]

So Red has just gone on his first recruiting trip and already fans are saying if we don’t go dancing next year its a failure? What? Really some of ya all need to take a step back from the crazy fan cliff. Give the guy some time to maybe complete his staff? Put together his team? See who stays and who goes? Some of you all need a hobby for the next 8 months. Lots of things will be changing, give him a second to do it. Have a chipwich, relax and let some things play out.

 

[Cusefan95]

We shouldn’t lower ourselves by comparing this program to St John’s

Any other formerly successful program(s) which had a rebuild situation with a new coach you want to compare to? Knock yourself out.

Bottom line is it’ll take a lot of time and will result in the same ultimate conclusion - if you’re not in the tourney by year two, the likelihood the rebuild will be successful is low.

 

[Dave]

No. we need guys that can play man to man. Our Hall of Fame coach said these guys can't. I believe him. We need more speed and more well rounded players.

No. We have those guys. Not every team has five elite defenders. Judah is elite. Put Weaker players on non scorers and use help defense. Do you really think many teams who play man have great defenders all over the floor?

 

[OrangeDW]

No. We have those guys. Not every team has five elite defenders. Judah is elite. Put Weaker players on non scorers and use help defense. Do you really think many teams who play man have great defenders all over the floor?

JB said we couldn’t and whatever he says, goes. No?

 

[Dave]

JB said we couldn’t and whatever he says, goes. No?

No. I have pointed out that the 2-3 zone cannot work as a full time defense anymore. I think Boeheim had a hard time accepting that his creation couldn’t handle shooters in the post Steph world. I do believe he was ready to adapt. Everybody practices and shoots shots which would have gotten you benched a few years ago. Did you notice how long his bench got this year? That was one of the big raps on him. I think Colgate beats us more often than not playing 2-3. Playing St. Johns, not so much.

 

[Cuse181]

The core as in everyone? The freshmen? Judah?

The core wasn’t good enough to sniff the tourney in an historically bad ACC year. I don’t have huge expectations for the frosh class beyond Judah so maybe it’s me. At least not for next year.

If Judah and Jesse return, we add a scoring guard and forward out of the portal, then we can be a tourney team. I just don’t see all that happening. And I certainly don’t see getting enough out of the portal if both Judah/Jesse are gone.

Players never get better amirite

 

[Jasoncuse]

Players never get better amirite

Yeah never.

We’re losing some of our best players barring some surprises. All of thee frosh will get better but even with that improvement, I don’t consider it a very talented class. We flat out need more talent, especially scoring, while I consider these kids more role players.

 

[dasher]

No. We have those guys. Not every team has five elite defenders. Judah is elite. Put Weaker players on non scorers and use help defense. Do you really think many teams who play man have great defenders all over the floor?

We have guys that can't cover other teams players. The other teams don't. Joe G., God bless him ,is too small and too slow. Name a guard on any ACC team that he could cover? You can't. Bell as many here know, I watched in high school and came on the board and said this kid couldn't guard me. And I'm 67 with a bad knee. Taylor? More of the same. Benny's problem appears to be concentration so they can work on that. We need guys that shut down the other teams. That is what Red is looking for. I don't know enough about Brown yet.

 

[Dave]

We have guys that can't cover other teams players. The other teams don't. Joe G., God bless him ,is too small and too slow. Name a guard on any ACC team that he could cover? You can't. Bell as many here know, I watched in high school and came on the board and said this kid couldn't guard me. And I'm 67 with a bad knee. Taylor? More of the same. Benny's problem appears to be concentration so they can work on that. We need guys that shut down the other teams. That is what Red is looking for. I don't know enough about Brown yet.

Part of coaching is accommodating players shortcomings. There were games where Joe was covered by players who couldn’t cover him. Remember? Shorter guards he just backed down and shot over? There have probably been teams with five lockdown man defenders but I can’t think of one.

 

[Cuse181]

Yeah never.

We’re losing some of our best players barring some surprises. All of thee frosh will get better but even with that improvement, I don’t consider it a very talented class. We flat out need more talent, especially scoring, while I consider these kids more role players.

The class is more talented then they have at northwestern, they are dancing. No excuses

 

[swish7]

To picky back of Trueblue25 post and the comments I have received about my expectations. I’m curious with a poll what year people expect to go dancing again.

My thoughts, it shouldn’t be that difficult to change the course of a program in 1-2 years due to the transfer portal and the amount of difference just 1 player can make.

Personally I will vote for 2 years. I expect to be dancing again by 2025.

If Mintz stays, we should be dancing next year. Especially if Edwards stays too.

Probably need to reset expectations after that. Mintz is that good.

And to be clear, the expectation is making the tournament every year. JB created that expectation and recently failed to meet it. Probably the main reason he was fired.

Autry gets some time because he is new and outside of the blue bloods all new coaches 'get time'.

 

[Newhouser]

We need to be above 500 next year with wins over our scheduled W's. The next year we need to be in the tournament.

 

[tbonezone]

next year we go dancing