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Message: [QUOTE="TheCusian, post: 2713873, member: 2585"] That’s why I sidestepped by starting off with “semantics aside”... you left yourself wiggle room. “Fluke” and “upset” are used interchangeably to you, I guess. Noted. The occurrence of a top 3 team losing to an unranked team is rare, except when the unranked team plays as well as we did. Then it’s more like 50/50. In other words there was nothing flukey about winning a game like the one we won. To describe it as a fluke after you have the facts acts as a subtle whitewashing of the accomplishment. That’s why I’m pushing back and dumping on your faulty definition. [/QUOTE]