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Message: [QUOTE="Knicks411, post: 3233040, member: 767"] There's definitely something to be said for that, there's a level you need to be over to even be able to play that many minutes per game at that level (like you said, Moyer playing that many minutes would've been ugly) but I don't think i can look at a guy with those shooting numbers and say he was good. One nice thing I just noticed, he had 69 turnovers both years here; aside from the joke, it is a feather in his cap he was able to use as many possessions as he did with a relatively low turnover rate. But I just can't get past those shooting numbers. [/QUOTE]