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Message: [QUOTE="Scooch, post: 628648, member: 628"] We're talking about the media value of the conference, not the on-field performance. The two are related, but not the same. Wake Forrest could win 12 games for a couple seasons and win a national title and they still wouldn't be a big contributor to the media value of the ACC. Sure, Kansas State and Oklahoma State have had some great seasons for the Big 12, but they barely drive a dime of that conference's media value. Like I said, the value comes from big fanbase, national programs winning at a high level. The ACC has two of those, historically, that went into the doldrums at the worst possible time. Again, I'm only talking about why FSU fans complaining about not making SEC money is a little silly. Your own program is the biggest driver to close that gap. [/QUOTE]