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Message: [QUOTE="OttoMets, post: 3289174, member: 716"] That's obviously an aggravating factor that will limit their improvement. But I do think they can and will improve. What concerns me is the lack of emphasis on defense from the staff: some of the breakdowns and flat-out lapses in effort (like the Girard play you mentioned above) should earn both of them a quick seat and a reminder that defense matters while Washington and Goodine give max effort and show them how it's done for 90 seconds. Not to go all curmudgeonly old meathead here, but letting them play through terrible defense sends them the wrong message and won't help their development. Give me the 2009 Boeheim philosophy: you lolligag, you sit. [/QUOTE]